Including path sections leading up to the scramble part appears to me as the
only information which highway=scramble would add to the sections mapped with
highway=path + sac_scale = demanding_mountain_hiking or an upper value of
sac_scale. But it's a kind of information which routers can comput
Hello,
Le 15.09.22 à 00:27, martianfreeloader a écrit :
don't want to die
On the basis of which criteria will you set the limit?
for some people, put your shoe on a rock or touch it
seems the limit and you seem to be saying that it is
no longer a highway=path for you in these cases
all sac_sc
We are having this discussion despite we already have the necessary tags to
describe all relevant aspects, only because some map data consumers do not
take them into account. And these tag are not only used, they are
completely established (sac scale, trail visibility, hazard, etc.). There
will alw
Which combination(s) of highway values, sac scale values and hazard values
would exclusively represent a scramble (Dutch verb: klauteren, i.e. going up or
down there using hands and feet) to a grown-up, non-challenged, average hiker
without climbing skills and without special gear other then a c
čet, 15. ruj 2022. u 14:52 Peter Elderson napisao je:
> Which combination(s) of highway values, sac scale values and hazard values
> would exclusively represent a scramble (Dutch verb: klauteren, i.e. going
> up or down there using hands and feet) to a grown-up, non-challenged,
> average hiker wi
Le 15 septembre 2022 15:19:58 GMT+02:00, "Janko Mihelić" a
écrit :
>čet, 15. ruj 2022. u 14:52 Peter Elderson napisao je:
>
>> Which combination(s) of highway values, sac scale values and hazard values
>> would exclusively represent a scramble (Dutch verb: klauteren, i.e. going
>> up or down t
So, a selection of sac_scale values may or may not include scramble
sections, beside other posible obstacles/hazards/challenges. If you
specifically want to know where the scramble sections are, the sac_scale
doesn't tell you, correct?
Op do 15 sep. 2022 om 15:23 schreef Janko Mihelić
> čet, 15
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> On 15 Sep 2022, at 17:34, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> If you specifically want to know where the scramble sections are, the
> sac_scale doesn't tell you, correct?
it depends how fine grained you tag sac_scale, on a hiking route it only tells
you the most difficult level
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 08:16:08AM -0700, Tod Fitch wrote:
> Interpreting OSM tags to decide if a way is a hiking trail is a hot mess. In
> my hiking map rendering I look at over a dozen tags, individually and in
> combination, to decide if a way is a hiking trail or not. Obviously this is
> not
Then you still cannot indicate "this is a scramble section", only that it
may be a scramble section OR something else making the section fall into
that sac category.
So I think highway=scramble does add information, enabling data users to
search, select, deselect, process and present the feature a
Peter, the sac_scale definition on the wiki is quite thorough. ___
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I know, but the scale does not indicate specific things you encounter, just
that somewhere along the way you will be challenged.
To map a specific type of path, say, a scramble, none of the sac_scale
values specifically indicates that it is in fact there.
If you try rendering hand-and-foot climbs
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 12:10 PM Sarah Hoffmann via Tagging <
tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> To get this mess sorted out we should probably start with the discussion
> 'what is a hishway=path'. The current definition in the wiki is
> not helpful in any way. It basically says that anything can
čet, 15. ruj 2022. 19:57 Peter Elderson je napisao:
> I know, but the scale does not indicate specific things you encounter,
> just that somewhere along the way you will be challenged.
>
That isn't true. If you tag a relation with sac_scale, then it is as you
say. But if you tag a way with sac_s
A sacscale isn't a thing, it's an assigned category. The same category includes
different situations, none of which is necessarily actually present, you only
know that at least one is there but not which one. So, if a path has a
sac_scale which may or may not include a scramble section somewhere
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 2:53 PM Janko Mihelić wrote:
> čet, 15. ruj 2022. 19:57 Peter Elderson je napisao:
>
>> I know, but the scale does not indicate specific things you encounter,
>> just that somewhere along the way you will be challenged.
>>
>
> That isn't true. If you tag a relation with s
Am Do., 15. Sept. 2022 um 21:15 Uhr schrieb Kevin Kenny
:
> I don't usually bother breaking up a way by scale if there are no
> intersections or PoI's along it. There may be flat spots in among the
> scrambles, and I generally don't bother trying to distinguish them.
In my opinion, this is the
Am Do., 15. Sept. 2022 um 00:09 Uhr schrieb Peter Elderson
:
>
> I like this proposed highway value. I would probably apply it to the actual
> scramble sections, though, not including path sections leading up to the
> scramble part. Renderers can then show the actual scramble sections.
Well, tha
Wouldn't scramble=yes with highway=path do the trick? Hurts nobody, and carries
the exact information you want.
Peter Elderson
> Op 15 sep. 2022 om 23:26 heeft Asa Hundert het
> volgende geschreven:
>
> Am Do., 15. Sept. 2022 um 00:09 Uhr schrieb Peter Elderson
> :
>>
>> I like this propose
Am Do., 15. Sept. 2022 um 00:30 Uhr schrieb martianfreeloader
:
>
> Imo, scramble would not only include via ferrata.
Unlike what I wrote yesterday, there is indeed some overlap of
scramble and via ferrata. There are via ferratas, that can be
hiked/scrambled without gear: Where the tourism office
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> On 15 Sep 2022, at 19:57, Peter Elderson wrote:
>
> To map a specific type of path, say, a scramble, none of the sac_scale values
> specifically indicates that it is in fact there.
> If you try rendering hand-and-foot climbs for hikers, comparable to how you
> would ren
here is an example for a mountain situation where you should probably have the
right shoes, and someone in sneakers of flip flops, or pushing (well, carrying
at this point) a baby stroller would have a hard time, but it wouldn’t qualify
for scramble or via ferrata:
https://bergseensucht.files.w
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 6:12 PM Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> here is an example for a mountain situation where you should probably have
> the right shoes, and someone in sneakers of flip flops, or pushing (well,
> carrying at this point) a baby stroller would have a hard time, but it
> wouldn’t q
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