Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Peter Elderson
Can you give an example where you think it's wrong? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 12 mei 2020 om 04:17 schreef brad : > I see a lot of relations, type:route, which are only short > trails/paths. This is wrong isn't it? Do you suppose that folks are > doing this to get better rendering? > Brad >

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I love the fact that we are now 50 messages into discussing, for the second time, a change that would be made ostensibly for the benefit of data consumers, and yet no one has asked any actual data consumers. https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_Ark_Fleet_Ship_B Richard -- Sent fro

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On 11/05/2020 10:29, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On 5/10/20 7:36 PM, Cj Malone wrote: I think I stand by that quote, but I'm happy to discus it. I'm not arguing that over night we should stop people using the phone tag. Currently phone has at least 2 uses. A contact number and an incoming number for

[Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 5/12/20 11:42 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I love the fact that we are now 50 messages into discussing, for the second time, a change that would be made ostensibly for the benefit of data consumers, and yet no one has asked any actual data consumers. Yes. Users are the ultimate measure of qu

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Sören alias Valor Naram
Hey,I am a "data customer", see https://babykarte.OpenStreetMap.de . That's why I initiated this discussion because this is important for me. But mappers are not listening to data customers and think they know how a database works (only few of them know that and those come from a technical field).~

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. May 2020, at 06:24, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Waymarked Trails associates waymarks only with routes, and assumes > that any waymarked route, from local to international, will have a > route relation describing it. > > Is there a reason that you see route relations for

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 11:43, Sören alias Valor Naram wrote: > Hey, > > I am a "data customer", see https://babykarte.OpenStreetMap.de . That's > why I initiated this discussion because this is important for me. But > mappers are not listening to data customers Why do you think that other mappe

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-12 12:58, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 11:43, Sören alias Valor Naram > wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> I am a "data customer", see https://babykarte.OpenStreetMap.de . That's why >> I initiated this discussion because this is important for me. But mappers >> are not listeni

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. May 2020, at 02:37, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > In short, is this tag "tagging for the tourist"? Those in the know > will know to check if it's a motorcycle taxi or a car taxi stand. if they expect both to have the same main tag, yes. After a while when they have

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 14:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > if they expect both to have the same main tag, yes. After a while when > they have had their unpleasant experience and keep using crowd sourced > maps, they will be more cautious, I agree. > Or, after they have had an unpleasant experi

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] admin_level and COGs, MPOs, SPDs, Home Rule

2020-05-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:59 AM stevea wrote: > > We in the Massachusetts local community want to have admin_level 6 > > relations for these boundaries, and I personally consider deleting them > > to be vandalism. > > Then let's hear from them and their rather precisely-described to-become > arg

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Phake Nick
Except capacity is only one of many differences between common taxi and motorcycle taxi. 在 2020年5月11日週一 16:04,Marc M. 寫道: > Hello, > > Le 10.05.20 à 01:24, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > imagine you are ordering a taxi for yourself and 2 colleagues to the > > airport and instead of a taxi (ca

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
In this context: I have just realised that at Venice Aiport there are (at least) the following services and corresponding counters and stop positions. busses to various destinations. They depart from a bus-stop area, but have different counters according to the bus company water busses (separate

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 12. Mai 2020 um 18:02 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > > Bottom line: more we look into this taxi business more interesting and > confusing it gets. > IMHO it is not very confusing. There are taxis, and there are various other kind of individual and mass transportation and leisure rides th

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread brad
We had a pretty lengthy discussion last October subject:'Cycling relation misuse' .  I got the impression that a route should be more than just a short trail. Are you saying that every trail should be route? Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6632400 My subject line should have be

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Peter Elderson
My view is that a route should have an indication on the ground. A sign, a trailhead, something. No verifiable indication whatsoever, then it's not a route. The length or the number of ways in the route does not make a difference to me. Best, Peter Elderson Op di 12 mei 2020 om 18:28 schreef br

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:03 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > My view is that a route should have an indication on the ground. A sign, a > trailhead, something. No verifiable indication whatsoever, then it's not a > route. > > The length or the number of ways in the route does not make a difference to

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Yves
Le 12 mai 2020 19:02:24 GMT+02:00, Peter Elderson a écrit : >My view is that a route should have an indication on the ground. A >sign, a >trailhead, something. No verifiable indication whatsoever, then it's >not a >route. > >The length or the number of ways in the route does not make a >differe

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

2020-05-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Apr 30, 2020, 19:45 by miketh...@gmail.com: > Hello, > > I have always been under the impression that the highway tag should be > based off of function. Recently I have come across a number of cases > where driveways and residential roads were tagged "highway=track" > (perhaps because they are

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Ty S
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dog_hazard Dangerous area with dogs. Please discuss on the page. I will respond to emails, but I rarely check, and it may take a bit to get back with you. -- Floridaeditor ___ Tagging mailing list T

Re: [Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 20:36, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 5/12/20 11:42 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Yes. Users are the ultimate measure of quality, yet they are most often > absent from our discussions. >From comments on the "contact point" thread On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 20:43, Sören alias

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. May 2020, at 00:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Checking taginfo it seems hazard=* [1] is in use. Why not go with it? > > [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hazard there is also documentation. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard Cheers

Re: [Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 13, 2020, 00:18 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > One in particular, roads in remote areas - yes, it's a dirt road, connecting > very small centres of population / remote "farms" (if it's still a "farm" > when it's bigger in area than some countries > ‽> ) only, so it "can't" be > important >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Tod Fitch
dog=yes|no|leashed already exists for a totally different semantic (letting dog owners know if their pet is allowed). If this goes forward I would prefer reversing thing and make it hazard=dog. That would also allow other types of hazards to be mapped. Checking taginfo it seems hazard=* [1] is

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread brad
OK, but it seems redundant to me.   A trail/path get tagged as a path.  There's a trailhead and a sign, it gets a tagged with a name.   Why does it need to be a route also? On 5/12/20 11:43 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:03 PM Peter Elderson wrote: My view is that a route s

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:37 PM brad wrote: > OK, but it seems redundant to me. A trail/path get tagged as a path. > There's a trailhead and a sign, it gets a tagged with a name. Why does > it need to be a route also? > Same reason all 0.11 miles of I 95 in Washington DC is part of a route.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Warin
On 13/5/20 9:28 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 13. May 2020, at 00:27, Tod Fitch wrote: Checking taginfo it seems hazard=* [1] is in use. Why not go with it? [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hazard there is also documentation. https://wiki.openstreetmap.o

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 12 May 2020 23:53:52 +0800 Phake Nick wrote: > Except capacity is only one of many differences between common taxi > and motorcycle taxi. Are there any differences that can't be explained by the fact that a motorcycle taxi uses a motorcycle to carry the passengers? For example, in the U