Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

sent from a phone > On 8. May 2019, at 00:54, Nick Bolten wrote: > > This proposal does not deprecate crossing=uncontrolled. > > For the latter: why not? The tag is, in technical terms, garbage, and other > tags in relatively high use have been deprecated before. I would support the deprec

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - crossing=marked

Le 07.05.19 à 22:57, Nick Bolten a écrit : > - crossing=* values are not truly orthogonal and this needs to be > addressed. e.g., "uncontrolled", "traffic_signals", and "unmarked" are > not truly orthogonal descriptors. I suggest that you read the discussion I started in December about crossing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

Le 07.05.19 à 23:08, Nick Bolten a écrit : > What do crossing=uncontrolled/unmarked/traffic_signals say about these > scenarios? > crossing=uncontrolled: ground marking but not traffic signal >   - signalization for pedestrians is undefined sorry I didn't understand what you mean. crossing de

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

Le 08.05.19 à 00:06, Tobias Knerr a écrit : > We need a tag for the_type_ of the markings anyway > (as different patterns for marked crossings can have > entirely different legal meanings in some jurisdictions), and we can use > that same tag for presence/absence by also allowing yes/no values.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

Le 08.05.19 à 01:30, Nick Bolten a écrit : > Unmarked crossings are abstract "fictions" beware of caricature : - unmarked pedestrian crossings with lowered kerb for wheelchairs - unmarked pedestrian crossing that connects a sidewalk on each side of the crossing just because you've never seen one

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

Le 08.05.19 à 10:30, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > „uncontrolled“, as it is a misnomer. indeed, but what could be a better value ? crossing=not_controlled_by_a_traffic_signal is a little long ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://l

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

8 May 2019, 01:30 by nbol...@gmail.com: > - Unmarked crossings are abstract "fictions" representing where an individual > might cross the street, marked crossings are identifiable from imagery. > - Because unmarked crossings are "fictions", they are only suggested places > to cross, according to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, marc marc wrote: > Le 08.05.19 à 01:30, Nick Bolten a écrit : > > Unmarked crossings are abstract "fictions" > > beware of caricature : > - unmarked pedestrian crossings with lowered kerb for wheelchairs > - unmarked pedestrian crossing that connects a sidewalk on each si

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

Hopeful to come to a conclusion, I would like to propose to edit the Wiki with the following: Current text on page route=hiking: oneway yes/no/cw/ccw (optional) Use oneway=yes to indicate that the route is to be walked in only one direction, according to the signposts on the ground proposal:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

In the United States an unmarked crosswalk is usually legally identical to a crosswalk marked with painted stripes. Vehicle drivers and bike riders must stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk whether there is paint or not. In general, all places where there is a sidewalk on both sides of an intersect

Re: [Tagging] Status of oneway=cw oneway=ccw

I don't think that oneway=yes on a hiking route causes confusion. It doesn't in real life, so why should it in OSM? Even if there were ways that a pedestrian cannot legally walk against the direction, routers/navigators always check all individual ways , so there is no risk of steering pedestrians

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 10:42, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Uncontrolled crossings are by far the most common. They are wherever there > are drop kerbs, which in my town just about every road junction. > Same around here. Most of them have tactile paving too. Which I suppose could be considered as m

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

Le 08.05.19 à 13:51, Paul Allen a écrit : > pelican crossings > it didn't render (no traffic lights shown) you get it with crossing=traffic_lights crossing_ref=pelican ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/lis

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 13:44, marc marc wrote: > Le 08.05.19 à 13:51, Paul Allen a écrit : > > pelican crossings > > it didn't render (no traffic lights shown) > > you get it with crossing=traffic_lights crossing_ref=pelican > I had those, together with a few other things. At the time I did it,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

Le 08.05.19 à 15:09, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 13:44, marc marc wrote: > > Le 08.05.19 à 13:51, Paul Allen a écrit : > > pelican crossings <...> didn't render (no traffic lights shown) > > you get it with crossing=traffic_lights crossing_ref=pelican > > I had thos

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

I would like to hear your thoughts and comments here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/toll    NOTE: All comments attached to this mail WILL NOT BE PROCESSED! Only comments on the wiki page will be answered and worked on! ___ Tagg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - camp_site=camp_pitch

Reminder: voting is underway to approve the tag camp_site=camp_pitch since May 1st so it will continue for the next week till May 14th https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch Please check out the proposal page and add your comments or votes: https://wiki.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

8 May 2019, 15:50 by wiki_openstreetmap_org.5.k...@spamgourmet.com: > I would like to hear your thoughts and comments here: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/toll > >   > I see no good reason to turn simple bool

[Tagging] Marking temporary traffic organisation change

Sometimes traffic organization changes for some time - road becomes temporarily oneway, or oneway road becomes accessible in both direction. Obviously short term traffic organisation changes (for hours/days) are generally not worth mapping, though one may use oneway:conditional / access:conditio

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

Le 08.05.19 à 15:50, wiki_openstreetmap_org.5.k...@spamgourmet.com a écrit : > I would like to hear your thoughts and comments here: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/toll - I see no need to specify that a country's roads are in that country. - I have always considered stran

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 14:50, wrote: > > I Who is "I"? is "wiki_openstreetmap_org.5.kuru" really your name? > NOTE: All comments attached to this mail WILL NOT BE PROCESSED! > Only comments on the wiki page will be answered and worked on! You do realise that the wiki is supposed to document cur

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Top_up (fifth revision)

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Top_up Cheers pangoSE ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

Le 08.05.19 à 18:00, Andy Mabbett a écrit : > On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 14:50, > wrote: >> >> I > > Who is "I"? is "wiki_openstreetmap_org.5.kuru" really your name? spamgourmet is anti-spam feature that allow you to add keyword prefix. you can deduce that the account is kuru (but there is nothing t

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

Am Mi., 8. Mai 2019 um 18:02 Uhr schrieb Andy Mabbett < a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>: > On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 14:50, > wrote: > > > > I > > Who is "I"? is "wiki_openstreetmap_org.5.kuru" really your name? > There is no requirement to tell your name in order to contribute to a discussion here. I a

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

I have seen that some people already started to reply to this main.   AGAIN: Mails here will not be processed (by me)!!   It's not about dictating something or cutting people off, but about my lack of time to maintain the wiki and the mailing list. In my opinion the mailing list is everything

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Top_up (fifth revision)

Le 08.05.19 à 18:25, egil a écrit : > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Top_up your proposal seems to be affected by a community division on 2 topics: - osm should it contain everything that a store sells ? probably not, but the limit is difficult to establish (we add the typ

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 17:26, marc marc wrote: > > Le 08.05.19 à 18:00, Andy Mabbett a écrit : > > On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 14:50, > > wrote: > >> > >> I > > > > Who is "I"? is "wiki_openstreetmap_org.5.kuru" really your name? > the author of the wiki page :TBKMrt If the OP wishes to be known (only

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 17:34, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> > NOTE: All comments attached to this mail WILL NOT BE PROCESSED! >> > Only comments on the wiki page will be answered and worked on! >> You do realise that the wiki is supposed to document current best >> practice, and can not dictate i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 18:08, wrote: > I have seen that some people already started to reply to this main. > > AGAIN: Mails here will not be processed (by me)!! > You have pretty much guaranteed that those who find it easier to respond here will vote against your proposal because it ignored their

Re: [Tagging] Marking temporary traffic organisation change

Le 08.05.19 à 17:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > sometimes change is applied for months > How one may mark that such change is temporary? > > It would be useful for at least two reasons: > - it would easier to catch roads for retagging after road recontruction > completes use https://wiki.ope

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - crossing=marked

I don't know why we need a new tag scheme. I remember my explanation of the question and the adaptation of the possibilities. I repeat them here: crossing=no (prohibited) crossing=yes (most generic) crossing=traffic_light is with traffic lights. So implies crossing=controlled. crossing=controlle

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

You have pretty much guaranteed that those who find it easier to respond here will vote against your proposal because it ignored their suggestions. There are probably some here who will vote against your proposal even if they agree with it 100% because of your attitude. I'm not attempting to di

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - crossing=marked

Le 08.05.19 à 19:37, yo paseopor a écrit : > zebra is marked but uncontrolled (if it is controlled you can use other > value) but if you see a zebra with satellite image, you often have no idea if a the crossing have a traffic light or not in a lot of country (like in Belgium/France/Luxembourg/

Re: [Tagging] Marking temporary traffic organisation change

8 May 2019, 19:35 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > Le 08.05.19 à 17:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > >> sometimes change is applied for months >> >> How one may mark that such change is temporary? >> >> It would be useful for at least two reasons: >> - it would easier to catch roads for retaggi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

Le 08.05.19 à 20:05, wiki_openstreetmap_org.5.k...@spamgourmet.com a écrit : > As said please quote in an usefull way :) you could say the same thing with a little more consideration, such as "I don't have time to read the mailing list regularly because my PERSONAL preference is the wiki, do no

Re: [Tagging] Marking temporary traffic organisation change

On Wed, 8 May 2019 17:35:09 + marc marc wrote: > Le 08.05.19 à 17:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > > sometimes change is applied for months > > > How one may mark that such change is temporary? > > > > It would be useful for at least two reasons: > > - it would easier to catch roads for

Re: [Tagging] Marking temporary traffic organisation change

Le 08.05.19 à 20:17, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > > > > 8 May 2019, 19:35 by marc_marc_...@hotmail.com: > > Le 08.05.19 à 17:00, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > > sometimes change is applied for months > > How one may mark that such change is temporary? > > It woul

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - toll

On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 19:22, marc marc wrote: > . > osm is a community project, the social is not to be neglected. that > being said, everyone has read that you will ignore them here, maybe the > proposal would deserve to be led by someone who has more time to read > people's opinions on both mai

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

sent from a phone On 8. May 2019, at 11:15, marc marc wrote: >> Unmarked crossings are abstract "fictions" > > beware of caricature : > - unmarked pedestrian crossings with lowered kerb for wheelchairs > - unmarked pedestrian crossing that connects a sidewalk on each side of > the crossing >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC (etc) for crossing:signals

sent from a phone On 8. May 2019, at 11:18, marc marc wrote: >> Le 08.05.19 à 10:30, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : >> „uncontrolled“, as it is a misnomer. > > indeed, but what could be a better value ? > crossing=not_controlled_by_a_traffic_signal is a little long I’m using crossing=zebra a

[Tagging] what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting ?

Hello, Some use the status to check propal with the status=Voting https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Proposals_with_%22Voting%22_status but some propal fail to have it, currently https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch what todo in this case ? only fix the

Re: [Tagging] what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting ?

Hi, Am 08.05.19 um 22:14 schrieb marc marc: > Some use the status to check propal with the status=Voting > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Proposals_with_%22Voting%22_status > but some propal fail to have it, currently > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/camp_site_

Re: [Tagging] what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting ?

Le 08.05.19 à 22:45, Michael Reichert a écrit : > Hi, > > Am 08.05.19 um 22:14 schrieb marc marc: >> Some use the status to check propal with the status=Voting >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Proposals_with_%22Voting%22_status >> but some propal fail to have it, currently >> https:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - crossing=marked

On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 03:38, yo paseopor wrote: > zebra is marked but uncontrolled > Maybe (quite possibly!) I'm getting confused over the whole controlled / uncontrolled concept? I thought that controlled means that their is signage / indication of some form that says a driver has to stop to a

Re: [Tagging] what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting ?

Oops, thanks for catching that. It would be nice if this could all be set with one click in the wiki Joseph On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 6:05 AM marc marc wrote: > Le 08.05.19 à 22:45, Michael Reichert a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > Am 08.05.19 um 22:14 schrieb marc marc: > >> Some use the status to chec

[Tagging] Japan road tagging (Was "what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting")

On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 06:15, marc marc wrote: > Some use the status to check propal with the status=Voting > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Proposals_with_%22Voting%22_status When I had a look at that page, I noticed https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Japan_tagging/Roa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - crossing=marked

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 2:48 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Now we may (yet again!) be getting caught up in the > one-word-different-meanings-worldwide saga, but, in Australia at least, > "zebra" crossings (parallel alternating black & white stripes crossing the > road) are controlled - they sig

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - tag:Police

Well, I share the impression that the tag will be accepted this time. I'll let the voting open during the usual 14 days period however. You never know if someone will have another opinion on this. Best, Jan Am 5. Mai 2019 22:49:57 GMT-05:00 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : >Just wait for the end of

[Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Telecom distribution points

Hi all, Here is a proposal regarding telecom distribution points boxes https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Telecom_distribution_points Since several concepts already exist, it is proposed to extend telecom=* key with a new value : distribution_point. As a very particular and ub

Re: [Tagging] Japan road tagging (Was "what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting")

Hello. 2019年5月9日(木) 7:57 Graeme Fitzpatrick : > On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 06:15, marc marc wrote: > >> Some use the status to check propal with the status=Voting >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Proposals_with_%22Voting%22_status > > > When I had a look at that page, I noticed > ht

Re: [Tagging] Japan road tagging (Was "what todo if the status of a propal isn't set to Voting")

I don't read Japanese, but the parts that I can understand seem to follow the generally-accepted ways of tagging roads. I appreciate that the Japanese community is discussing these things in public and developing a consensus before making changes to the wiki pages. I wish I could do this with oth