Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

In Nederland advisory speed signs are used for this purpose. These do not alter speed limit, but indicate the local safe speed under normal conditions. I do not see how this fact could help with the subject at hand, though. Good luck with that! Op wo 26 sep. 2018 om 06:33 schreef Mark Wagner : >

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

On 2018-09-26 06:32, Mark Wagner wrote: > That's not what I said. To repeat, my point is that, at least locally, > a signposted speed limit *is* a guarantee that, for an ordinary vehicle > traveling under ordinary conditions, the speed is reasonable. An > unsigned speed limit, on the other hand,

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

On 26/09/2018 09:12, Colin Smale wrote: On 2018-09-26 06:32, Mark Wagner wrote: That's not what I said.  To repeat, my point is that, at least locally, ... Sorry Mark, you are wrong. There is no guarantee, signposted or not. I think the key point here is "at least locally".  Certain things

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

On 25/09/18 12:47, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2018-09-25 13:07, Marc Gemis wrote: > >> However, I'm not sure whether gastronomic is the proper >> British-English word to use. I think the Brits are already using >> building=pub (perhaps only for a subclass of your 'gastronomic'. I've tended to use bu

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Wednesday 26 September 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > I added a comment on avoiding duplication - I would be very unhappy > if every feature on the planet that currently only has a name tag > would now be amended with an identical name:xx tag just because xx is > the language spoken in that coun

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

I would expect Frederik to be even more disappointed if we were to first duplicate name to name:XX and then have another round of edits to remove name. At some point JOSM's valdiator was telling me to add name:language, so I did. That's where some of those Belgian entries probably come from for th

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:34 PM Mark Wagner wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 08:09:12 +0200 > Florian Lohoff wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:24:00AM -0700, Mark Wagner wrote: > > > My point is that no such guarantee exists for roads without speed > > > limit signs. Yes, the numeric limit f

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > be amended with an identical name:xx tag just because xx is the language > spoken in that country! You are very lucky then to not have to deal with the documented tagging scheme of name= , name:en= name:ja= name:ja_rm=, and name:ja_kana=

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

Hi, On 26.09.2018 12:00, Christoph Hormann wrote: > But the good news is that both the proposal of Joseph and my suggestion > would allow a simple an reliable fallback to the current tagging scheme > so once most data users are capable of interpreting the new scheme you > could smoothly convert

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Wednesday 26 September 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Isn't it so that the new system adds zero usefulness to countries or > areas which have and use just one language, but is useful in regions > that have more than one? Hence, why roll it out in, say, most parts > of Germany *at all*, and just

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

sent from a phone > On 26. Sep 2018, at 16:14, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > Also in Germany we have features with no German name (most notably > probably in regions with significant minority languages but also for > example some English shop names, Italian restaurant names etc.) +1, or fea

[Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

Hi, On 26.09.2018 16:14, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Also in Germany we have features with no German name (most notably > probably in regions with significant minority languages but also for > example some English shop names, Italian restaurant names etc.) You are not *really* advocating that wh

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a building constructed for a gastronomic purposes?

building tag is supposed to contain how building is constructed. For example hotel ina church is building=church (with hotel tagged as usual). Former hotel building used as a warehouse is building=hotel. 25. Sep 2018 02:54 by jo...@mac.com : > the buildings look like a ho

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

26. Sep 2018 06:32 by mark+...@carnildo.com : > On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 08:09:12 +0200 > Florian Lohoff <> f...@zz.de > > wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:24:00AM -0700, Mark Wagner wrote: >> > My point is that no such guarantee exists for roads

Re: [Tagging] RFC - landcover clearing

22. Sep 2018 10:16 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > > On 22/09/18 17:39, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > >> >> 22. Sep 2018 00:38 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com >> >> : >> >> >>> >

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Wednesday 26 September 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 26.09.2018 16:14, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > Also in Germany we have features with no German name (most notably > > probably in regions with significant minority languages but also > > for example some English shop names, Italian r

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

* Christoph Hormann [180926 17:53]: > On Wednesday 26 September 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> On 26.09.2018 16:14, Christoph Hormann wrote: >>> Also in Germany we have features with no German name (most notably >>> probably in regions with significant minority languages but also >>> for example so

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

Hi, On 09/26/2018 05:53 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Names in a non-discernible language have so far not been discussed. I > would need to see some examples for this to form an opinion on the > matter. I am thinking of retail outlets like "Tesco" "Real" "Saturn" "Tk-Max" >> Yes. The u

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

Duplicating all 'name' tags to 'name:xx' in our worldwide database is not so shocking, but I still prefer that we map what language is used where than the language the 'name' tag is in. It sounds less oriented. Yves Le 26 septembre 2018 19:54:41 GMT+02:00, Frederik Ramm a écrit : >Hi, > >On

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Wednesday 26 September 2018, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > > it appears to me that before discussing possible solutions we should > better agree on what the problem is. So far I see several related but > different problems mixed into one and consequently no possible > agreement on the solution. I su

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 19:54 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 09/26/2018 05:53 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: > > Names in a non-discernible language have so far not been > > discussed.  I  > > would need to see some examples for this to form an opinion on the  > > matter.   > > I am thinkin

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Wednesday 26 September 2018, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > I am thinking of retail outlets like > > "Tesco" > > "Real" > > "Saturn" > > "Tk-Max" Ok, i could of course say now these are not names but brands but assuming these are names i see two options for those: * say the language is defined by w

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

what about substrings of names? Just found this example where it would be needed to indicate that the name is composed of 3 different languages: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5726043060 Cheers, Martin sent from a phone___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

* Christoph Hormann [180926 20:43]: > On Wednesday 26 September 2018, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: >> it appears to me that before discussing possible solutions we should >> better agree on what the problem is. So far I see several related but >> different problems mixed into one and consequently no pos

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

On Wednesday 26 September 2018, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > > * allow mappers to accurately document information on names of > > features in all situations that might exist world wide where there > > are verifiable names with as little effort and in the least error > > prone way as possible. > > * all

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Default Language Format

On 2018-09-24 14:36, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: Please see the Proposal page for the new tag, "language:default=" https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Default_Language_Format Description: "Specify the default language format used for names, and recommend use of language-specific n

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Default Language Format

The draft proposal about defaults was started on 20-September-2018, after this proposal, and it is not yet fully developed. In particular, “def:” is not a great primary tag because “def.” is not a clear abbreviation in English. It would normally mean “definition” or “define” rather than “default.”

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

While it is a good idea to address the issues around name=* and name:=* tags, this proposal is a necessary first step before we can do anything else. Frederik's perferred solution and Christoph's idea both require there to be a default language format tag. I would recommend approving this proposal

Re: [Tagging] Draft Proposal: Default Langauge Format

The Proposal page lists a couple of other reasons under "rational:" *1), 2)* Similar to your points a), and d) *3)* It is not possible for renderers to properly render bilingual names when one of the languages should be written in different directions *4)* Localized and personalized maps, such a

Re: [Tagging] Default Language Format; language:default or default:language?

Should we change the tag from language:default to default:language? I've found out that language:* has already been used in the format language:de, language:fr, language:en, etc, for the languages taught at a school. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dlanguage_school. And langua

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 16:06, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > That’s why we need to check the height of saddles and peaks “by hand”, or > better yet by survey with GPS. > Joseph, just a technical question, thanks, as I don't understand *any* of the details of what you're wanting to do! :-) How do y