Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

Yes, I'm aware of the second meaning, so please let me rephrase s/makes no sense/would be confusing/. As adits are often connected to vertical shafts, which will likely have their own "depth" tag, we could end up in a situation with two connected objects (a shaft and an adit connecting it to the su

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

Using Depth isnt wrong but I think length is usable to, since adits are usually part of features which have depth.so using length will be less confusing? Cheers ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/t

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

The most confusing thing is when you use one term but mean another... Let's agree on the definition of what we mean here. Is it: A) the distance from the surface, measured perpendicular to the surface, of the end of the adit *** this would probably have to be further refined to be the *shorte

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > > B) the distance one would have to travel to reach the end of the adit > This. Any straight-line distance can be determined reasonably easily from a map, using its scale and a piece of string. A length of a twisty path, not so much. Granted,

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

Then I would suggest "length" is what you mean here, as it has no direct relation with the distance from the surface. On 2017-05-12 09:54, Michal Fabík wrote: > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Colin Smale wrote: > >> B) the distance one would have to travel to reach the end of the adit > > T

Re: [Tagging] rail routes and stations (rail question 1)

It seems that I didn't realize that this was finalized, even though I was involved in the discussion. Sorry for the misunderstanding! I'm really glad that the wiki has also been updated - I should have checked it first. I hope that the other "missing" landuses can be clarified or resolved in

Re: [Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - (office=courier)"

Is it okay to push this to voting again? Regards On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:08 PM, John Willis wrote: > > On Apr 25, 2017, at 8:46 PM, Tobias Wrede wrote: > > Am 25.04.2017 um 11:21 schrieb John Willis: > > If I search for a supermarket and you send me to a 7-11, you failed. > > > I partly agr

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

+1 ... It is like the length of a road .. roads twist and turn so the length is longer than the straight line distance. The 'depth' of a tunnel is the straight line distance, not the distance you travel by going along it as it may twist and turn. I am afraid 'English' words have many meanings!

Re: [Tagging] rail routes and stations (rail question 1)

btw: the current railway=station tag definition doesn't say anything how to differentiate between freight stations and passenger stations and possibly combinations of both. Which tags are used? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstre

Re: [Tagging] rail routes and stations (rail question 1)

Not quite an answer, but the wiki says railway=stop for both freight and passenger, but public_transport=stop_postion only for passengers. Bjoern On 12 May 2017 11:47, "Martin Koppenhoefer" wrote: > btw: the current railway=station tag definition doesn't say anything how > to differentiate betwe

Re: [Tagging] rail routes and stations (rail question 1)

sent from a phone > On 12. May 2017, at 12:55, Bjoern Hassler wrote: > > Not quite an answer, but the wiki says railway=stop for both freight and > passenger, but public_transport=stop_postion only for passengers. yes, clearly the presence of public_transport tags indicates passengers (also

Re: [Tagging] rail routes and stations (rail question 1)

Of course - agreed! B On 12 May 2017 12:02, "Martin Koppenhoefer" wrote: sent from a phone > On 12. May 2017, at 12:55, Bjoern Hassler wrote: > > Not quite an answer, but the wiki says railway=stop for both freight and passenger, but public_transport=stop_postion only for passengers. y

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

When I started mapping adits I also felt that "length" would fit better than "depth". However at that time length and depth were similar in usage. Cheers, Zecke ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listi

Re: [Tagging] change recommendation from "depth" to "length" for the adit length?

Have I counted correctly that we are now A) unanimously in favor of changing the suggestion from "depth" to "length", or B) do some of you feel the need to keep "depth" for the shortest distance from the surface to the deepest point (let's keep the question aside how you would measure or estimat

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, Am 2017-05-10 um 18:59 schrieb Bjoern Hassler: > In an osm:relation:route > (type=route, > route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. How is a > particular platform associated with a stop that serves it? > > E.g.

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, Am 2017-05-11 um 12:08 schrieb Bjoern Hassler: > Basically, I'm trying to understand > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route#Members. There's the > concept of station vs. stop_position, in case there are many stop_positions > in a station / stop_area. Sorry for London examp

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, Am 2017-05-11 um 11:17 schrieb Bjoern Hassler: > in the case of 4a/4b etc I would put in different stop points. If 4a always > serves one route, then 4a would be added to the route relation. Maybe if 4a > / 5a / 6a can all serve the same route, then I don't know what the solution > is..

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Michael, that's very helpful, thanks. I'll implement the ref as well as the ordering. I'll also add this to the English wiki pages where needed. I'll have a look at the DE page as well. Examples for nodes as requested. Stop_position at: - End of platform (middle of line) node 13328915 - End of

[Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Michael, hi all, Valid PTv2 route relations are ordered, i.e. the platform which follows > a stop position and is near the stop position always belongs to the stop > position. Many lines on the London underground/overground/etc aren't well ordered, there isn't a route master, etc etc. The nod

Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Bjoern, I would definitely be interested in such a mapathon! We could meet virtually on a channel like this one: https://meet.jit.si/osmbe Polyglot 2017-05-12 17:49 GMT+02:00 Bjoern Hassler : > Hi Michael, hi all, > > Valid PTv2 route relations are ordered, i.e. the platform which follows >

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

How about a step back for a second here... What is the stop_position intended for? Who is it intended to help or inform? A bit of context would help to rank the possibilities. I remain by my earlier standpoint that a stop_position is too much detail for a route as it is too variable to be useful.

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

My preference is to make the platform part of the route. A node tagged public_transport=platform railway=stop /highway=bus_stop (so they render on carto) name= ref= This works particularly well for bus, tram, metro. It doesn't work all too well for trains, as they often arrive at different platf

Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

When is a route_master relation needed? For the area I am mapping, several of the routes are circular without any variations. That means I make 1 relation for each route, but adding a route master, I get a alert that I am uploading relations with only one member. I can understand the use of rout

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] Importing fuel stations in UK and future similar imports

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Ilya Zverev wrote: > * "The general view seems to be against IDs like this": what has happened > with the principle "any tags you like"? Did we saturate the key space and > not accepting new keys anymore? Can I read that "general view" documented > anywhere? The

Re: [Tagging] Ordering of routes, possible mapathon? Was: Re: rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

Hi Aun, JOSM's validator warnings are just that, warnings. Some of them can be safely ignored. Of course if the route_master relation doesn't really add information, I'd say it's fine to omit it. Here are some examples: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3614368/history https://www.openstreet

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 00:06, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hi Tijmen, many thanks. Yes, I understand the wiki that way too, i.e. suggest one stop_area for the station and associated infrastructure. Follow up question: In the relation you have .../stop/platform/stop/platform/stop/platform/... - would you agree w

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 00:14, Warin wrote: On 12-May-17 07:45 AM, Tijmen Stam wrote: On 10-05-17 18:59, Bjoern Hassler wrote: Hello again, In an osm:relation:route (type=route, route=train/...), you have both platforms and stop positions. How is a par

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

On 12-05-17 20:12, Colin Smale wrote: How about a step back for a second here... What is the stop_position intended for? Who is it intended to help or inform? A bit of context would help to rank the possibilities. I remain by my earlier standpoint that a stop_position is too much detail for a ro

Re: [Tagging] rail routes: how are platforms and stops associated (rail question 2)

I think what I'm trying to say is: there are many more bus routes (and their variations) than train route relations to be mapped. If we insist that it has to be: stop_position platform so double tagging, I think I'll abandon and I'll understand that most people will never start mapping public tra