Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > > physical attributes > of ways Then why do we have 7 different tags for roads, and then add attributes such as width, surface and so on? Why don't we differentiate all roads in your "we already have enough" way? Highway=road Width=20m La

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Willis wrote: > How is a data provider supposed to make assumptions of what a particular > path is when there is no place to start from? I presume you mean "data consumer", and as the data consumer who probably parses path tags in more detail than any other (for cycle.travel), I do fine, tha

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread John Willis
Yea, I meant data consumer. > On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > - highway=path, which should die in a fire Well, we are in agreement there. And since you are a domain expert, how does one go about separating mountain trails from footpaths in a park if their surfac

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Willis wrote: > how does one go about separating mountain trails from footpaths in a park http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale is popular for doing that. Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Subject-Feature-Proposal-RFC-highway-social-path-

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-15 11:58 GMT+02:00 John Willis : > And since you are a domain expert, how does one go about separating > mountain trails from footpaths in a park if their surface and width is the > same? What "condition" tag do you use to separate them? well, you can see from the data that a path / foo

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > John Willis wrote: >> how does one go about separating mountain trails from footpaths in a park > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sac_scale is popular for doing that. > > Richard > On Jun 15, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Martin Kopp

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John Willis wrote: > I am really having trouble understanding the reasoning behind the > resistance when it removes uncertainty and confusion while tagging. But it doesn't. You're citing your own personal hierarchy between "trails" and "easily traversed footways", which is fine. But that hierar

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
On 15 June 2016 at 13:10, John Willis wrote: > Why isn't having a footway=trail subtag (or something) seen as a much more > reliable solution? Perhaps more of an aside, but it may explain some people's reluctance / confusion with highway=trail: As a native British English speaker, the word I wou

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/06/2016 13:10, John Willis wrote: So SAC scale and being outside a park polygon/relation is good enough to allow a data consumer and the folks over in -carto to render a "footway" and a "trail" differently and reliably enough? What happens when I have a strong mix of =pedestrian, =footway

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) > wrote: > > if two paths have identical surface and width > characteristics The issue I have is that they do not have similar characteristics, yet get rendered the same. It's like if all tracks were rendered as residential roads.

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread Andy Townsend
On 15/06/2016 15:03, John Willis wrote: On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: if two paths have identical surface and width characteristics The issue I have is that they do not have similar characteristics, yet get rendered the same. So tag the different charac

Re: [Tagging] Subject: Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=social_path

2016-06-15 Thread John Willis
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > > So tag the different characteristics (surface, width, etc.), and let > renderers decide whether to render the difference or not? > > I have to say I'm really struggling to see the problem here. Hmm.. Why is a tertiary rendered diffe