On 24/11/2015 6:28 PM, John Willis wrote:
On Nov 24, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Marc Gemis wrote:
The problem with separate ways, is that none of the current routers
will tell you that you have to cross the street to reach a house on
the other side of the road. Most likely, they will let you walk till
In Belgium several primary/secondary roads go through town centers
(e.g. [1], [2]), where the maximum speed is reduced to 50 km/h (same
as for residential roads). Most people will cross the street where it
is most suitable (especially near [2] where the road is even pretty
narrow), not necessarily
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Richard Mann <
richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You may or may not know, but mid-block signalled crossings are a bit of a
> UK-specific phenomenon. In many other countries (in Europe, anyway),
> signalled crossings are part of junctions.
>
Eeh, it's com
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Marc Gemis wrote:
> And what about the obligation to walk on the left side of the road
> when there is no sidewalk ? Should a router take that into account and
> let you walk to the next road crossing to switch sides ? Would be
> pretty neat.
>
Not sure how feasi
As a co-developer of mkgmap, a software that convert OSM data
to Garmin map format, I've looked at this problem quite
often now. I think routing itself is not the big problem here,
unless we talk about the additional resources needed for the
additional ways and junctions.
Both tagging schemes
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Gerd Petermann
wrote:
> One of the problems that is not well solved is the switch
> between both tagging schemes. When I start to draw
> extra ways for the sidewalk, where do i stop this and how
> do I connect the sidewalk with the main road?
same problem exists f
John Willis wrote:
> Perhaps we can have a routing engine at will interpret
> a sidewalk with residential road junctions as being
> along a residential road and route for Jay Walking.
> [...]
> I would rather the router always error on the side of
> crosswalks
Jaywalking is a North American co
2015-11-24 10:40 GMT+01:00 Richard Fairhurst :
> Another issue with routing along pavements ("sidewalks") as separate ways
> is
> the name tag. IME pavement-mappers rarely add the street name to the
> pavement/sidewalk, but in fact the name applies to the pavement/sidewalk as
> much as to the bicy
And this problem is not easy to solve by programs.
Up to now I don't know any efficient algo that allows to
find the nearest named road that goes parallel
to a selected unnamed way. It would be of great help
here.
Gerd
Von: Martin Koppenhoefer
Gesendet: Die
2015-11-24 11:30 GMT+01:00 Gerd Petermann :
> And this problem is not easy to solve by programs.
>
> Up to now I don't know any efficient algo that allows to
>
> find the nearest named road that goes parallel
>
> to a selected unnamed way. It would be of great help
>
> here.
>
we should ask cont
So has the "street" relation just been born? It could solve some other
puzzles as well: dual carriageways, cycle tracks, bridges...
On 2015-11-24 11:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2015-11-24 11:30 GMT+01:00 Gerd Petermann :
>
>> And this problem is not easy to solve by programs.
>>
>> U
It already exists for that but is rarely used, probably because of
the ususal problems:
- Sometimes roads are split to give one part a different name,
the type=street relations are typically ignored.
- Since it is not often used mappers will forget to add a new sidewalk
to such a relation.
N
2015-11-24 11:45 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale :
> So has the "street" relation just been born? It could solve some other
> puzzles as well: dual carriageways, cycle tracks, bridges...
bridges have been solved by introducing a revolutionary concept: a
dedicated object for an explicit bridge. It remains
One issue with dual carriageways (and now I think about it, also railway
lines) is about generalisations at certain zoom levels. If you zoom out
beyond a certain level, both halves of a DC (or the individual tracks of
a railway) would be better modelled as a single line. The
renderer/consumer ne
2015-11-24 12:43 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale :
> One issue with dual carriageways (and now I think about it, also railway
> lines) is about generalisations at certain zoom levels. If you zoom out
> beyond a certain level, both halves of a DC (or the individual tracks of a
> railway) would be better mode
On Mon, 2015-11-23 at 19:14 -0500, Bryan Housel wrote:
> Current preference seems to be map sidewalks as separate ways tagged as
> `highway=footway + footway=sidewalk`.
>
> 1. As you mentioned, you can use sidewalk-specific tags (slope, surface)
> without affecting the adjacent highway.
> 2. The
On 2015-11-24 13:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2015-11-24 12:43 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale :
>
>> One issue with dual carriageways (and now I think about it, also railway
>> lines) is about generalisations at certain zoom levels. If you zoom out
>> beyond a certain level, both halves of a DC
On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 09:01 +0100, Marc Gemis wrote:
> In Belgium several primary/secondary roads go through town centers
> (e.g. [1], [2]), where the maximum speed is reduced to 50 km/h (same
> as for residential roads). Most people will cross the street where it
> is most suitable (especially ne
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 6:40 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>
> Jaywalking is a North American concept.
Jaywalking will get you a bored policeman giving you a ticket in Tokyo.
They pride themselves in people who follow the rules and wait for crosswalks
and such.
However the sidewalk "grid" di
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Philip Barnes wrote:
>
> Sidewalks, unless they are physically separated in some way are an
> integral part of the highway. Sidewalk tags can allow a router to, maybe
> prefer, roads with sidewalks but there a lot of cases where this would
> just be plain annoying.
On Tue Nov 24 13:40:38 2015 GMT, Marc Gemis wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Philip Barnes wrote:
> >
> > Sidewalks, unless they are physically separated in some way are an
> > integral part of the highway. Sidewalk tags can allow a router to, maybe
> > prefer, roads with sidewalks but th
2015-11-24 13:48 GMT+01:00 Philip Barnes :
> A pedestrian simply needs to be told to follow
> the road, they are quite capable of deciding which side to walk, where
> to cross and whether it is simply easier to walk on the road.
>
that's partly true, but there are groups of people who could bene
There is already a page on the wiki, especially section [1]. Those
properties are used by the wheelchair navigation tool mentioned at the
top of that page.
regards
m
[1]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wheelchair_routing#Sidewalks_and_properties
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:02 PM, wrote:
> O
> On Nov 24, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
> yes, it would eventually create problems in case e.g. a bridge spirals around
> itself (guess improbable case) similar to spiral stairs (maybe these wouldn't
> be called bridges but ramps). It worked for all bridges I have mapped
2015-11-24 16:09 GMT+01:00 johnw :
> Speaking of layers & bridges..
actually, layers and bridges do not pose a problem, as long as it's all the
same bridge. One object is ok. In the case of the spiral bridge you might
need a relation to make it clear.
Cheers,
Martin
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> On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
> the road, they are quite capable of deciding which side to walk, where
> to cross and whether it is simply easier to walk on the road.
TL;DR:
Although I care more about the rendering than the routing, the routing in this
situat
On Tue Nov 24 15:39:45 2015 GMT, johnw wrote:
>
> > On Nov 24, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> > wrote:
> >
> > the road, they are quite capable of deciding which side to walk, where
> > to cross and whether it is simply easier to walk on the road.
>
>
> TL;DR:
> Although I care more
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 5:24 AM, John Willis wrote:
> Jaywalking will get you a bored policeman giving you a ticket in Tokyo.
>
> They pride themselves in people who follow the rules and wait for
> crosswalks and such.
>
Seattle is one of the few cities in the US that actively hands out
jaywalki
Thanks everyone for the input. As much as I like the concept of using the
sidewalk attribute to the road, it doesn't seem like it is all that useful
for adding kerb slope. It wasn't pointed out, but one additional problem
with using the sidewalk attribute is that a new mapper will likely not look
a
Gerd Petermann wrote
>
> Andy Townsend wrote
>> On 20/11/2015 18:49, Gerd Petermann wrote:
>>>
>>> What am I getting wrong here? Did someone remove the
>>> preferred way of tagging from the wiki and nobody noticed
>>> it for years?
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't surprise me that something documented with c
On 24/11/2015 16:47, Gerd Petermann wrote:
Gerd Petermann wrote
Andy Townsend wrote
On 20/11/2015 18:49, Gerd Petermann wrote:
What am I getting wrong here? Did someone remove the
preferred way of tagging from the wiki and nobody noticed
it for years?
It doesn't surprise me that something do
I found this explanation
"I propose to replace highway=ford with ford=yes (or perhaps barrier=ford?) on
nodes as well, simply to de-clutter the highway tag and to be more consistent."
here
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/highway-ford-vs-ford-yes-tp5178509p5178527.html
I'd use the same argument for
On 24.11.2015 17:21, Clifford Snow wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the input. As much as I like the concept of using
> the sidewalk attribute to the road, it doesn't seem like it is all that
> useful for adding kerb slope.
Sure, but the sidewalk attribute is essential for other, much more basic
use c
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:09:23AM +0900, johnw wrote:
> having the man_made=bridge share layers with the roads and sidewalks does
> work for all but a handful of bridges (I like that tag) - but assuming the
> bridge is a single layer really makes things difficult for large/iconic/odd
> bridges
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> Sure, but the sidewalk attribute is essential for other, much more basic
> use cases that separate ways fail to serve.
>
Can you elaborate on why separate ways fail to serve?
>
> > I don't think relations are the right answer either. It is
On Tue, 2015-11-24 at 15:22 -0800, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Tobias Knerr
> wrote:
> > Sure, but the sidewalk attribute is essential for other, much more
> > basic
> > use cases that separate ways fail to serve.
> >
> Can you elaborate on why separate ways fail to
Here's another confusion along these lines:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30749887
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Philip Barnes wrote:
> They are not matching reality, can cause long detours and poor routing
> unless the mapper provides a lot of connections to the road. Remember
> normal pedestrians can cross wherever they want.
>
That is true, but what we want to give someo
> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:
>
> Remember
> normal pedestrians can cross wherever they want
People with vision impairments or wheelchairs can't - so directing them to
crosswalks with kerb cuts/slopes and assisted signals (sounds, etc) sounds like
the proper thing to d
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