Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > > They have a baguette for a bakery instead of the bagel icon. yeah, you’re correct - having a Japanese version of OSM would solve icon rendering choices. It’s a good idea. I was trying to use it as an example of a little western bias. Howev

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 1:11 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > >> But neither direction has the right of way and it is up to driver discretion >> and politeness as to who will reverse back to the passing bay. So oneway=no >> but twoway is not necessary yes. > i've used > > lanes=1 > > and omitted onew

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 8:26 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > I'm not a fan at all of non-physical road descriptions like primary, tertiary > etc. Japan completely breaks OSM road descriptions, and uses the classifications above tertiary to match their governmental classification scheme - even when a

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

> Am 05.06.2015 um 01:08 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > Are the majority of roads to be marked as > vehicle=yes > foot=no > horse=no > right hand drive > > etc ... is this not data base bloat? interesting you see foot=no and horse=no as defaults for the majority of roads, aroun

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

On Thu, 2015-06-04 at 16:53 +0100, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: > As is the case of a narrow bridge where traffic from one side has to > give way to traffic from the other side because the bridge is only > wide enough for one vehicle so is it a single lane twoway or single > lane oneway=no. You cannot indic

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5/06/2015 2:02 PM, John Willis wrote: On Jun 5, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: then it should be tagged shop=photo; frame Is the semicolon okay to use in shop=* ? From taginfo there are 520 shop=* :-) I thing using the semicolon with the asterisk might be goin

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

2015-06-05 5:10 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > Shop=photo changed to remove frames and framing from it. > Reason.. there is a documented shop=frame so if the shop=photo does frames > then it should be tagged shop=photo; frame > I have included that information on the wiki page > https:

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 6/4/15 11:53 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: > > The oneway=yes, oneway=no conundrum.. put yourself in the position where > you are looking at a road ahead of you. It is only wide enough for one > vehicle but has passing bays along it's length.

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5/06/2015 6:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-06-05 5:10 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com >: Shop=photo changed to remove frames and framing from it. Reason.. there is a documented shop=frame so if the shop=photo does frames then it shou

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

On 05/06/2015, Richard Welty wrote: > On 6/4/15 11:53 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: >> The oneway=yes, oneway=no conundrum.. put yourself in the position >> where you are looking at a road ahead of you. It is only wide enough >> for one vehicle but has passing bays along it's length. It is not wide

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:33 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > > On 4 June 2015 at 10:46, David Fisher wrote: >> >> On 04/06/15 00:48, pmailkeey . wrote: >> > A value of residential here seems to need a key to identify whether it >> > relates to a building or landuse. However, you suggest >> > building

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 05/06/2015, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > shop=hobby No documentation present so added > > * text to suggest a more detailed tag be used. > * link to the wiki shop= hobby area. shop=hobby is a terrible tag. Every activity is a hobby to somebody, so shop=hobby gives no clue as to wh

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

shop=tea; coffee The 'problem' is there is no wiki page explaining how to combine values. And no explanation as to the overall concept of OSM tagging scheme. The real problem is it isn't suported by the renderer and some other apps, that's why people don't advocate for it too much.

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

Shop=photo changed to remove frames and framing from it. Reason.. there is a documented shop=frame so if the shop=photo does frames then it should be tagged shop=photo; frame I have included that information on the wiki page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dphoto There will always

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5/06/2015 7:34 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: On 05/06/2015, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: shop=hobby No documentation present so added * text to suggest a more detailed tag be used. * link to the wiki shop= hobby area. shop=hobby is a terrible tag. Every activity is a hobby to s

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

> Am 05.06.2015 um 11:25 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > Consider these to be forthcoming drafts ... better than what was there. > If the past mappers find and disagree .. good. I'll try to contact them > latter .. and some of the other 'model' values too (model_train model_railwa

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

> Am 05.06.2015 um 11:34 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo : > > shop=hobby is a terrible tag. Every activity is a hobby to somebody, > so shop=hobby gives no clue as to what the shop sells. English Wikipedia states there is something like a hobby shop as a specific typology of shop, see here: http

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

> Am 05.06.2015 um 12:04 schrieb Andreas Goss : > > There will always be overlaps. A lot of shops will sell somthing to drink, > but you don't add ;beverages, because of that. you might add an attribute like sells:beverages=yes if you find it noteworthy cheers Martin __

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

> Am 05.06.2015 um 11:33 schrieb David Fisher : > > As for "landuse=residential" -- I agree that we could probably do > without it. But it does add to the readability of the map, especially > at low zoom levels, as it enables you to see at a glance where places > are and how big they are. r

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5/06/2015 9:14 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 05.06.2015 um 11:25 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: Consider these to be forthcoming drafts ... better than what was there. If the past mappers find and disagree .. good. I'll try to contact them latter .. and some of the other 'model'

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5/06/2015 9:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 05.06.2015 um 12:04 schrieb Andreas Goss : There will always be overlaps. A lot of shops will sell somthing to drink, but you don't add ;beverages, because of that. you might add an attribute like sells:beverages=yes if you find it noteworth

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

What if the shop sells both photo gear and frames? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On June 4, 2015 10:11:26 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>

[Tagging] residential granularity / was Re: OSM is ... right ...

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote on 2015-06-05 13:36: Am 05.06.2015 um 11:33 schrieb David Fisher : As for "landuse=residential" -- I agree that we could probably do without it. But it does add to the readability of the map, especially at low zoom levels, as it enables you to see at a glance where pla

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

There is an obvious limit to the number of types of icons that can be rendered on any one map before it becomes incomprehensible. However, more than one renderer can use the same data, depending on the intended purpose. There are also applications that let you inquire for "every location tagged

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

> Am 05.06.2015 um 14:09 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > > On 5/06/2015 9:14 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> Am 05.06.2015 um 11:25 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> Consider these to be forthcoming drafts ... better than what was there. >>> If the past mappers find a

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

Am 05.06.2015 um 14:12 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: >> you might add an attribute like >> sells:beverages=yes >> if you find it noteworthy > Why sells ? because it is explicit and clear > > beverages=yes > fee:beverages=yes ? bring your own beverages but be prepared to pay a f

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

W dniu 05.06.2015 17:11, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): Am 05.06.2015 um 14:12 schrieb Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: you might add an attribute like sells:beverages=yes if you find it noteworthy Why sells ? because it is explicit and clear beverages=yes fee:beverages=yes ? bring yo

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:40 AM, John Eldredge wrote: > There is an obvious limit to the number of types of icons that can be > rendered on any one map before it becomes incomprehensible. Rendering can choose to use the same symbol for two tags. One tag however can't become two symbols. While t

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

Agreed. If you look at all of what I said, I was arguing that concerns about how many types of things could be rendered should not prevent detailed tagging. It is always possible to go from a complex data set to a simplified rendering; going from a simple data set to a complex rendering is fr

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

Yea - in America hobby shops like the wikipedia entry exist - they are model/rc/train/craft stores - they have a mix of all the types - they are not a specific specialty store, which exist too. Generic shop: http://goo.gl/maps/cy4I2 "hobby people" Just model trains: http://goo.gl/maps/p9D3n ree

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5 June 2015 at 04:10, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > shop=model No documentation so added text + photo to its wiki page > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dmodel > added link on the shop= wiki page. > > > catwalk=no ;) -- Mike. @millomweb

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5 June 2015 at 09:20, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 5/06/2015 2:02 PM, John Willis wrote: > >> >> >> Or will that start another Holy War? >> >> >> > Bring your beliefs to the OSM. > > > Does OSM recognise the Islamic State ? -- Mike. @millomweb

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5 June 2015 at 09:45, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-06-05 5:10 GMT+02:00 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > >> Shop=photo changed to remove frames and framing from it. >> Reason.. there is a documented shop=frame so if the shop=photo does >> frames then it should be tagged shop=photo; fram

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5 June 2015 at 10:25, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Consider these to be forthcoming drafts ... better than what was there. > If the past mappers find and disagree .. good. I'll try to contact them > latter .. and some of the other 'model' values too (model_train > model_railway etc)

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5 June 2015 at 13:09, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > 'My' definition is broad, like a shop=supermarket .. they don't all have > the same things. > > The one I have to tag is https://hobbyco.com.au > > Sells rc models, train, car, aeroplane, boat, ship ... kits or ready made, > you name

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 5 June 2015 at 13:20, John Eldredge wrote: > What if the shop sells both photo gear and frames? > > > frames (mounts) are 'photo gear' shop=photon - where n is a number on a scale to indicate the range of products e.g. : photo1 - basic point n shoot cameras photo5 - cameras, lenses, film

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

On 5 June 2015 at 04:29, johnw wrote: > Most of the languages used by europeans are at least parseable - we can > tell the difference between the names between Italian or german towns - > even if we can’t read them, because we can at least recognize the letters. > But with a character based langu

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

On 5 June 2015 at 06:01, Marc Gemis wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:14 AM, John Willis wrote: > >> Don't confuse searching for an object with how they are >> sorted/labeled/and represented - nor forget about the inflexibility in >> OSM/-carto to get them represented differently. (Take-out ba

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

On 6/06/2015 11:13 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: On 5 June 2015 at 06:01, Marc Gemis > wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:14 AM, John Willis mailto:jo...@mac.com>> wrote: Don't confuse searching for an object with how they are sorted/labeled/and repres

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

Also, there are a lot of so-called hobby shops that carry supplies for decorative crafts such as beading, embroidery, and jewelry making. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -

Re: [Tagging] Changes + additions: shop= photo, hobby, model

On 6/6/15 02:51 , pmailkeey . wrote: shop=photon - where n is a number on a scale to indicate the range of products e.g. : photo1 - basic point n shoot cameras photo5 - cameras, lenses, film, printing/developing service, knowledgeable advice photo9 - would include dark-room equipment, enlarge

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

All the double Ls are disappearing. Traveling is a common spelling now. Google traveling vs travelling. My spell checker marks the double L version as misspelled. javbw > On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:02 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: > > > There are two ls in travelling. > > Sorry, just couldn't resis

Re: [Tagging] residential granularity / was Re: OSM is ... right ...

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > +1. Drawing a residential around a village was the early attempt with low-res > aerial images. With the level of detail you get from both 20cm imagery and > open-data property boundaries, my preferred level of granularity is up to a > block, i