Re: [Tagging] Big amenity=fountain

W dniu 01.06.2015 0:52, Warin napisał(a): I'd keep amenity=fountain and render just a name (zoomlevel area size dependent ) with no icon, and would use I think we should render areas with just a name, but points with both a name (if available) and the icon. Here's my draft on tagging and ren

[Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should not show oneway at all. In OSM if oneway=no then it's not oneway and the oneway tag should not appear at all. The only time oneway should appear is in the case of oneway=yes - and the '=yes' is superfluous. OSM's k=v design is c

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, "pmailkeey ." wrote: > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM is 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussions and 5% progress. The whole is not a marketable product; it's not fit to be rated as 'beta'. Is this a significant cause of ex-mappers ? I

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3/06/2015 10:04 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'. Why can we not simply stick to hard facts rather guessing what categor(ies) an object fits in OSM is 90% argument, 5% dead-en

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

The reason for tag/value pairs such as oneway=no is that the absence of a oneway tag can mean either that it is unknown whether a given way is one-way or not, or that it is definitely known to be not be one-way. Using one-way=no states that it is definitely known not to be one-way. -- John F.

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:04 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: > iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should not > show oneway at all. > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. Similarly > are 'categories' like man_made', and 'amenity'. > Why can we not simply s

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3 June 2015 at 01:23, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > MOST use OSM. 90% will be out there adding things. Only a few join here to > add tags, and fewer still try to improve the structure. > > That is quite possibly one of the big issues with it. And TBH, it's such a shame. More regula

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3 June 2015 at 01:28, John Eldredge wrote: > The reason for tag/value pairs such as oneway=no is that the absence of > a oneway tag can mean either that it is unknown whether a given way is > one-way or not, or that it is definitely known to be not be one-way. Using > one-way=no states that

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3 June 2015 at 01:36, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Perhaps http://wikimapia.org/ will better match your needs, and offer > more peace for your family, property and pets. > Well, on Monday the 'prison' idea went out the window. Having me and my brother accused of ill-treating our mother - two , nay,

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 6/3/15, Steve Coast wrote: > >> On Jun 2, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> On Jun 3, 2015 8:06 AM, "pmailkeey ." > > wrote: >> > OSM's k=v design is completely a serious and unnecessary flaw. [...] OSM >> > is 90% argument, 5% dead-end discussion

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3/06/2015 10:39 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: On 3 June 2015 at 01:23, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: MOST use OSM. 90% will be out there adding things. Only a few join here to add tags, and fewer still try to improve the structure. That is quite

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

On 3 June 2015 at 01:37, Tom MacWright wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Please propose an alternative. > I see an awful lot of good in OSM and I think it's a great project. I've had it agreed with another about it being such a mess - but the fact it's such a worthwhile project it's worth battling on with i

Re: [Tagging] man_made=works

On 31 May 2015 at 12:09, Daniel Koć wrote: > W dniu 31.05.2015 10:25, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): > > recently there is a lot of discussion from newbies(?) here, that seem >> to propose new tags and tagging schemes for stuff that is already >> discussed and agreed upon and in widespread use.

Re: [Tagging] man_made=works

On 1 June 2015 at 06:15, Marc Gemis wrote: > > I'll agree that introducing the reception_desk key was/is problematic > because of the choice of the top level tag. > On the other hand I do not see why we couldn't tag some of them as amenity > and others as tourism and have both documented. It's pr

Re: [Tagging] man_made=works

I've recently found EV charging stations marked as 'gas stations'. Actually seems reasonable to me ! -- Mike. @millomweb - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to

Re: [Tagging] man_made=works

On 1 June 2015 at 13:18, Marc Gemis wrote: > >> Why do you need to specify amenity = yes or tourism = yes ? What do I > learn from that ? Is this for the case that there are 2 reception desks on > a property (thinking about a campsite here), where one is used by the > tourist and the other for d

Re: [Tagging] OSM is a right mess (was: Craigslist OpenStreetMap Rendering Issue)

No tag Tag oneway tag twoway not an'equals' in sight and difficult to mistake twoway for oneway. I would say that's much worse both for mappers as well as consumers. Not even to mention documentation, because now you have two wiki pages which again is always a good source for errors. As a

[Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

Hi, I've added the tag shop=camera on a node .. reflecting ONE shop I have mapped. There are others that I can tag (when I get to them). They sell cameras, video or still, tripods, memory cards, filters etc etc. Any idea for a better tag? .. just fishing for ideas at this stage! I've placed

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

I would say that fits very well with shop=photo, which can be found further down the page under "art, music, hobbies", and to which the link that you created now redirects (because someone in 2011 already thought "shop=camera" would better be "shop=photo") On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:25 AM, Warin <

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

the wiki for shop=photo "A shop dealing with photos or video in any way." humm .. does not necessarily sell cameras ... ? and 'develop photos'? errr .. that is now a specialist activity given the reduction in film cameras. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dphoto Where as a camera

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

I note on the shop=photo discussion page Even though shop=camera redirects here, the description does not actually include selling cameras (or similar electronic photographic equipment). So do cameras belong into shop=electronics? Aceman444 (

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] OSM is a right mess

On 2015-06-03 02:04, pmailkeey . wrote: iD shows oneway=unknown if it's not set. If it's unknown, iD should not show oneway at all. I agree. In OSM if oneway=no then it's not oneway and the oneway tag should not appear at all. Here I don't agree. The only time oneway should appear is in t

Re: [Tagging] RFD tag:shop=camera?

On Wed, 2015-06-03 at 15:54 +1000, Warin wrote: > I note on the shop=photo discussion page > Even though shop=camera redirects here, the description does not > actually include selling cameras (or similar electronic photographic > equipment). So do cameras belong into shop=electronics? Aceman444 >