Hi!
As the usage of maxspeed:variable continues to increase, I would like to
draw your attention again to its proposal:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dynamic_maxspeed
In my opinion maxspeed:variable is far superior to maxspeed=signals as it
provides not only the informatio
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, Никита wrote:
> > leisure=playground
> > playground:supervised=yes/no
> > playground:outdoor=yes/no
> > playground:indoor=yes/no
> kids_area=* is not about these 4 tags. kids_area=* is disjoint to
> leisure=playgrounds. Please read proposal.
>
> http://www.imenno.ru/wp-conten
> Why not?
Is your questions serious? Do you really want to tag 1000 pencils at 30
tables? Will you update this information from day to day? Will you separate
playground:felt-tip pen=yes from playground:pen=yes?
>However, I think it was bad decision to have it tagged as playground=swing/etc
instea
Let me highlight something that was said by you(!) in the email I
answered to:
> > Do you have tags forplayground=pony? playground=pencils? playground=books?
> > playground=table?
> > playground=horses? If not, there no reason to talk about it in
> > kids_area proposal
...and then you proceed t
The principle "yes vs. no vs. unrecorded" is no total ban of default values.
But if both, "yes" and "no" have a certain likelyhood, you mustn't use "no" as
a default value.
Toll is a good example:
In a region without toll roads or on a type of roads that is always for free,
you need not tag tool
This topic not about leisure=playground tagging. We need to define 2 ned
tags: amenity=kids_area and kids_area=*. Please don't tell us about
leisure=playground (it was mentioned in proposal that new tags will be
opposite to leisure=playground) or amenity=recycling or recycling:*=*
shema (WTF).
>
2014-12-19 8:27 GMT+01:00 Никита :
>
> kids_area=* is not about these 4 tags. kids_area=* is disjoint to
> leisure=playgrounds. Please read proposal.
>
> http://www.imenno.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/HD_08.jpg-940x626.jpg -
> leisure=playground
> http://www.realkidfriendly.com/wp-content/uploads/
2014-12-19 11:03 GMT+01:00 Ilpo Järvinen :
>
> However, I think it was bad decision to have it tagged as
> playground=swing/etc
>
+1, and it is also diverging from how tagging in OSM often works. Typically
I'd expect from
leisure=playground
playground=foo
to express that "foo" is some subtype o
2014-12-19 12:06 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> how do you suggest to tag a kids_area?
sorry, forget about this, I overlooked one of the links in the beginning...
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IMO, kids_area=* is prefered when you have bigger feature:
name=Joe pub
amenity=pub
kids_area=yes
kids_area:fee=no
or explicitly using:
amenity=kids_area
fee=no
operator=Joe pub
opening_hours=10-20
2014-12-19 15:06 GMT+04:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
>
> 2014-12-19 8:27 GMT+01:00 Никита :
>>
>> k
Some weeks ago, there was a post in the forum by a mapper, who remembered that
there was a cycletrack at a road he had used, but he had forgotten on which
side.
Furthermore, Opencyclemap renders "cycleway=track" but doesn't detect
"cycyleway:right=track". Therefore, some mappers don't tag the s
2014-12-19 12:12 GMT+01:00 Никита :
>
> IMO, kids_area=* is prefered when you have bigger feature:
>
> name=Joe pub
> amenity=pub
> kids_area=yes
> kids_area:fee=no
>
> or explicitly using:
> amenity=kids_area
> fee=no
> operator=Joe pub
> opening_hours=10-20
>
I think this tagging is generally O
> otherwise there would be useless overlap
It is similar to hotel vs motels. Once you see good hotel you will filter
out motels (hostels etc) from hotels. You don't want to classify motels.
You want good hotels.
> We should put the focus on defining criteria for distinguishing these two.
Ok, let
2014-12-19 13:07 GMT+01:00 Никита :
>
> leisure=playground (usually outdoor), kids_area (almost always indoor, esp
> in Russia during winter)
>
why can't we get rid of the exceptions ("usually", "almost always") and
state that one is outdoors, the other indoors (if standalone), or one is
standalo
-1 for amenity=reuse. Building=house can also be reused. This might be the
most vague tag I've ever seen.
Dana 18. 12. 2014. 14:55 osoba "Martin Koppenhoefer"
napisala je:
> for reference, there have been discussions on this previously:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-Aug
> state that one is outdoors, the other indoors
We speak for new tags now. I don't want to touch old tagging schema
(leisure=playground) with over 200K+ uses, there will be even more people
who don't see need in kids_area=*.
> not convinced. "poor equipment" is not my experience for some places,
t
2014-12-19 13:30 GMT+01:00 Janko Mihelić :
>
> This might be the most vague tag I've ever seen.
>
OT - just for a smile:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/building=building
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Hi!
2014-12-19 13:17 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> 2014-12-19 13:07 GMT+01:00 Никита :
>>
>> leisure=playground (usually outdoor), kids_area (almost always indoor,
>> esp in Russia during winter)
>>
> why can't we get rid of the exceptions ("usually", "almost always") and
> state that one is
2014-12-19 13:52 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald :
>
> I would prefer leisure=playground for standalone and kids_area=yes for an
> additional feature. This seems intuitive to me.
+1, I'd see it the same. We could still have amenity=kids_area as well (for
explicit mapping of the kids_area, inside the ot
-1, there is no reason to tag two identical playgrounds (outdoor, standard
set of playground toys) differently just because one
is near mall and other not.
2014-12-19 13:59 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> 2014-12-19 13:52 GMT+01:00 Martin Vonwald :
>>
>> I would prefer leisure=playground for
2014-12-19 13:59 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>
> I wouldn't add secondary criteria to the definition that is only sometimes
> or "usually" true.
>
That's usually not a good idea, because sometimes a common motorway might
also be some kind of runway for something similar to an aeroplane ;-)
"
2014-12-19 14:05 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny :
>
> -1, there is no reason to tag two identical playgrounds (outdoor, standard
> set of playground toys) differently just because one
> is near mall and other not.
>
You are right. But we are not talking about "near", we are talking about
"part of". T
> is near mall and other not.
-1 to you. You failed to understand proposal/discussion. There a lot more
differences beside simply indoor/outdoor criteria. Please read discussion
from start.
2014-12-19 17:06 GMT+04:00 Martin Vonwald :
>
>
>
> 2014-12-19 13:59 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer :
>>
>>
> we are talking about "part of"
I think we can use this in definition, but lets wait for Dmitry. Here is my
point:
Definition:
(required, must be tagged) kids_area=* - used for areas dedicated for kids
within bigger facilities (restaurants, fast_foods, hotels, hospitals,
airports, shops)
(requir
On 19 December 2014 at 14:09, Martin Vonwald wrote:
>
> 2014-12-19 14:05 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny :
>>
>> -1, there is no reason to tag two identical playgrounds (outdoor, standard
>> set of playground toys) differently just because one
>> is near mall and other not.
>
>
> You are right. But we
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 01:52:22PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote:
>
> I would prefer leisure=playground for standalone and kids_area=yes for an
> additional feature. This seems intuitive to me.
Just a quick interjection from a native English speaker. "Kids" is
slang. The proper English term is chil
> * what is the maximum possible(!) speed limit
>
The possible max speed limit is most likely the speed limit fo that type of
road in that country, unless you have better information (from what source
with what licence?), but that's not really helpful for a router
> * what is the reason(!) for t
On Fri, 2014-12-19 at 15:13 +, ael wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 01:52:22PM +0100, Martin Vonwald wrote:
> >
> > I would prefer leisure=playground for standalone and kids_area=yes for an
> > additional feature. This seems intuitive to me.
>
> Just a quick interjection from a native English
On 19/12/2014, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2014-12-19 12:12 GMT+01:00 Никита :
>>
>> IMO, kids_area=* is prefered when you have bigger feature:
>>
>> name=Joe pub
>> amenity=pub
>> kids_area=yes
>> kids_area:fee=no
>>
>> or explicitly using:
>> amenity=kids_area
>> fee=no
>> operator=Joe pub
>> o
> We are in a geographical database and the relative position (inside=part
of /OR/ outside) of elements are known.
This is not how hotels\motels or playground\childenarea works. Hotels are
hotels, regardless of your position.
The only part that relies on geo functions in my definition is "get
open
On 19/12/2014, Никита wrote:
> Ok, lets try:
>
> leisure=playground (usually outdoor), kids_area (almost always indoor, esp
> in Russia during winter)
> leisure=playground (poor equipment, often vandal resistant), kids_area
> (fragile or expensive equipment is not rare)
> leisure=playground (almos
> just tag the amenity with playground=yes.
That doesn't work. We have a 20 km^2 airport. Will you really tag it with a
20 km^2 playground (child_area)?
> that I feel it's hopeless to try to tag it.
For the same reason you prefer hotels over motels or hostels. There many
differences but you cann
On 19/12/2014, Никита wrote:
> Instead of 4 or 10 tags in OSM,
> real people use words: "детская площадка" (leisure=playground), "детская
> игровая комната"(kids_area=*) - this is much simpler and native way to map
> objects. This will work for short term, since we want to use kids_area. We
> cann
On 19/12/2014, Никита wrote:
>> just tag the amenity with playground=yes.
>
> That doesn't work. We have a 20 km^2 airport. Will you really tag it with a
> 20 km^2 playground (child_area)?
Tagging playground=yes on an amenity is just intended as a tagging
shortcut (like atm=yes), but of course yo
> but of course you can map things more precisely.
Exactly this was discussed.
> And I don't want to face the same quandary deciding between playground
and children_area.
I'm sorry for inconvenience, shall we remove several countries from OSM so
you can easily use single tag you like to see? Cycle
On Fri, 2014-12-19 at 17:45 +0100, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
> >
> > Trust me, there no overlap between:
> > "Детская площадка" (leisure=playground)
> > "Игровая зона для детей" (amenity=kids_area)
>
> The key criterias are wether it's indoor or outdoor and wether a fee
> is required. No need to i
On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:
>
> And please make this childrens_area, kids is a slang word and is not
> appropriate in formal english, such as OSM tagging.
>
Unless, of course, it is an area where young goats are kept. :)
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On 19/12/2014, Никита wrote:
>> but of course you can map things more precisely.
> Exactly this was discussed.
I was only arguing for using "playground + subtags" instead of
"playground vs children_area" and noting that "playground=yes" could
be added to the main amenity instead of mapping the pl
On 18.12.2014 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> yes, legally it's "Einheitsgemeinde", but that's maybe not a title...
> The "Land" has the title "Stadtstaat", and of course it's also
> "Bundeshauptstadt".
>
> Which one should go into "admin_title" and why?
Have a look at Gemeinde Gutenbrunn:
ht
On 19/12/2014 15:13, ael wrote:
Just a quick interjection from a native English speaker. "Kids" is
slang. The proper English term is children. A kid is young goat.
+1.
I had been planning at some point to throw that particular spanner in
the works.
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On 19/12/2014 18:02, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
I was only arguing for using "playground + subtags" instead of
"playground vs children_area"
It's childrens_area, not children_area. In normal prose, it would be
children's area (possessive, with an apostrophe). I think we generally
accept the dr
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