Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Richard Z.
Hi, lots of the national wikis refer to bridge=humpback which is missing in the English wiki, how to add it? Also, should the key:bridge pages really encourage user defined bridge values? Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Никита
I don't think so. Can you please define meaning of bridge=humpback? PS. Tag covered=yes was proposed to mark "covered" ways. For example covered bridges. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/covered, from examples section: http://www.travelbygps.com/special/covered/covered_bridge.J

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 01:04:20PM +0400, Никита wrote: > I don't think so. Can you please define meaning of bridge=humpback? it was at least among the values of the German and French wiki and in the proposed values of the Russian and Ukrainian wikis. << bridge=humpback — Bogenbrücke, bei der d

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Никита
I.e they define this tag as subtype of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_bridge. I don't see any real application/use to bridge=humpback. Also, bridge=humpback does not imply covered=yes by default. It does not define routing aspects or adds any features to end users. On other hand, bridge=movable

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Colin Smale
On 2014-08-10 12:13, Никита wrote: I.e they define this tag as subtype of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_bridge [5]. I don't see any real application/use to bridge=humpback. Also, bridge=humpback does not imply covered=yes by default. It does not define routing aspects or adds any features

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Yves
There is a lot of things not of interest to the majority of users in OSM, this is why it is rich. Yves On 10 août 2014 12:41:22 UTC+02:00, Colin Smale wrote: >On 2014-08-10 12:13, Никита wrote: > >> I.e they define this tag as subtype of >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_bridge [5]. I don't

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Никита
I'm fine with this tag being used in UK. But I care about it's definition. If this tag will be interesting only in some territory, why not to define this tag specific to UK? You didn't answer how we should define "humpiness" of bridge?.. Is this you who minority and cannot pass this bridge without

Re: [Tagging] Using highway=footway as an area

2014-08-10 Thread fly
Am 09.08.2014 18:06, schrieb Dave F.: > Hi > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.49428/-0.12149 > > I've noticed highway=footway is being used as an area across Lambeth > Bridge: North side as a closed polygon; South side within a relation. > (checking the history previously they were both

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Colin Smale
No need to define it as UK-only... such bridges occur across the whole world, I am sure. The UK may be unique by having a specific road sign, which may indicate that a bridge could/should be tagged as a humpback (as stated in the wiki[1]). There is also a sign for explicitly indicating a "risk o

Re: [Tagging] Using highway=footway as an area

2014-08-10 Thread SomeoneElse
On 09/08/2014 17:06, Dave F. wrote: Hi http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.49428/-0.12149 I've noticed highway=footway is being used as an area across Lambeth Bridge: North side as a closed polygon; South side within a relation. (checking the history previously they were both highway=pede

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread fly
Can't we use traffic_calming=hump for this situation or some barrier=*? cu fly Am 10.08.2014 16:23, schrieb Colin Smale: > No need to define it as UK-only... such bridges occur across the whole > world, I am sure. The UK may be unique by having a specific road sign, > which may indicate that a br

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Никита
I will be fine with bridge=yes, traffic_calming=humpback. But again, as Colin Smale said, we will miss unmarked bridges, without signs. barrier=* is not option here, there no block in any form. 2014-08-10 19:52 GMT+04:00 fly : > Can't we use traffic_calming=hump for this situation or some barrie

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Colin Smale
It is neither constructed with the intention of calming traffic, nor is it intended as any kind of barrier (a bridge is usually exactly the opposite!) Let us not be afraid of using a different tag for what is clearly a different attribute. --colin On 2014-08-10 17:52, fly wrote: > Can't we

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Никита
Yeah, traffic_calming was bad idea too, we use it for artificial objects with purpose of calming traffic. Back to the topic: "a bridge requiring driving speed to be reduced due to the vertical profile (i.e. not because it is narrow, or some other attribute)". Is okay definition, but we must add re

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Yves
Is there a tag for a non-intended, not speed-enforcing hump on a road? This can occurs on a railway crossing, or due to the roots of a vigorous tree. On 10 août 2014 18:24:05 UTC+02:00, "Никита" wrote: >Yeah, traffic_calming was bad idea too, we use it for artificial >objects >with purpose of ca

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Steve Doerr
On 10/08/2014 10:04, Никита wrote: I don't think so. Can you please define meaning of bridge=humpback? Shorter Oxford has 'a small bridge with a steep ascent and descent'. -- Steve --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 06:14:24PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > > > It is neither constructed with the intention of calming traffic, nor is > it intended as any kind of barrier (a bridge is usually exactly the > opposite!) Let us not be afraid of using a different tag for what is > clearly a diff

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 12:41:22PM +0200, Colin Smale wrote: > On 2014-08-10 12:13, Никита wrote: > > >I.e they define this tag as subtype of > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_bridge [5]. I don't see any real > >application/use to bridge=humpback. Also, bridge=humpback does not imply > >covered

Re: [Tagging] bridge=humpback ?

2014-08-10 Thread Colin Smale
Exactly my point. In the UK you can be objective by linking it to the presence of the sign, other countries may not use a sign. Having established that such information ("this bridge requires you to slow down to avoid being launched") may be useful in certain cases, now we are trying to represen

Re: [Tagging] Using highway=footway as an area

2014-08-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 10/ago/2014, alle ore 16:53, SomeoneElse ha scritto: >> Hi >> >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/51.49428/-0.12149 >> >> I've noticed highway=footway is being used as an area across Lambeth Bridge: >> North side as a closed polygon; South side within a relation. (checking the