Re: [Tagging] tree shrines

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Friedrich Volkmann wrote: > I often ask myself whether to tag them as historic=wayside_shrine or > tourism=artwork or both or even as historic=monument. > I would use monument only for "big things", otherwise I use historic=memorial. [1] regards m [1] http://

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 2:07 PM, John Packer wrote: > I think you shouldn't merge the *=ice_cream variantes. > People never reached a consensus over which one to use (personally I think > it's compelling to use shop=* instead of amenity=*), and there is another > variant, which is amenity=cafe/fa

[Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

Mateusz Konieczny wrote on 10.07.2014 11:50: >> Although since the rules are for josm validation so will be checked by >> a human, I guess that's low-risk right? > I thought about JOSM validator rule with fix button, so it would > not be safe to assume that it will be carefully checked (the same ty

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I use them like this > > amenity=cafe cuisine=ice_cream > there is a waiter / service > > amenity=ice_cream > they sell take away ice cream, but also have at least some tables to sit down > (no service) > > shop=ice_cream > you can only buy ice

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

On 31/07/2014 09:27, Holger Jeromin wrote: The voting was performed "using the extended "North-American definition" - there including fresh water": http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/seafood_shop ... and exactly 8 people voted in favour. That's clearly a ringing endorsemen

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

> Am 31/lug/2014 um 06:24 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann : > > Therefore, I suggest removing landuse=religion from the wiki, or at least to > mark it as nonsensical. +1, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

Didn't JOSM include landuse=religion in the latest version ? On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Am 31/lug/2014 um 06:24 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann : > > > > Therefore, I suggest removing landuse=religion from the wiki, or at > least to

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

> Am 31/lug/2014 um 09:21 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt : > > A problem with "ice_cream" is there's no way to add it to a different shop. sells:ice_cream=industrial/artisanal/yes cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://li

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

> Am 31/lug/2014 um 10:27 schrieb Holger Jeromin : > > The voting was performed "using the extended "North-American definition" > - there including fresh water": > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/seafood_shop > > So i see no problem in tagging seafood for every dead fish.

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

> Am 31/lug/2014 um 10:38 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen : > > shop:seats=yes/no > shop:waiter/service=yes/no > > ...Or something along those lines rather than the black magic you outlined > above ;-). If I understand you correctly you propose to deprecate amenity=pub in favor of shop=alcohol shop:se

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

-1 2014-07-31 11:47 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > Am 31/lug/2014 um 06:24 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann : > > > > Therefore, I suggest removing landuse=religion from the wiki, or at > least to > > mark it as nonsensical. > > > +1, > > Martin > _

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

On Thu, 31 Jul 2014, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Am 31/lug/2014 um 10:38 schrieb Ilpo Järvinen : > > > > shop:seats=yes/no > > shop:waiter/service=yes/no > > > > ...Or something along those lines rather than the black magic you outlined > > above ;-). > > > If I understand you correctly yo

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

2014-07-31 11:02 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > >> Am 31/lug/2014 um 10:27 schrieb Holger Jeromin : >> >> The voting was performed "using the extended "North-American definition" >> - there including fresh water": >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/seafood_shop >> >> So i

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:leisure=gym

sport=fitness seems to have won: 816sport=fitness 320leisure=fitness_centre 88sport=gym 81leisure=gym 26leisure=fitness 21leisure=gymnasium http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/compare/leisure=fitness_centre/leisure=fitness/sport=fitness http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/co

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:leisure=gym

On 31/07/2014 11:54, Andreas Labres wrote: sport=fitness seems to have won: Not really, because that might apply to e.g. exercise bars in a park rather than a gym as such. Cheers, Andy ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

I don't like that seafood includes fresh water fish, and that might make some misunderstanding among mappers. I'd like a big bold "USE THIS TAG FOR FRESHWATER FISH ALSO" over the wiki page. I like the fishmonger word better, but I understand seafood is an easier word for non-native english speaker

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tag:leisure=gym

I don't see a clear winner at all: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fitness_centre Just as many people try to map it with some variation of *=fitness_centre/er or *=gym. sport=fitness on its own can't win, because sport=* is a non-physical Key. And as I wrote on the talk page I don't think

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

I think a place should be tagged amenity=fast_food depending on the structure of the place. >From the description on the wiki page: "Is for a place concentrating on very fast counter-only service and take-away food." It might have tables for seating. Someone on the Talk page suggested used the undo

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

-1 to "removing" as well, and I would appreciate a constructive discussion that does not qualify the thoughts of others as "nonsense", as long as they are not clearly malicious. If you look at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=religious#map you see the highest density of use in Polan

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

2014-07-31 14:31 GMT+02:00 Tom Pfeifer : > If you look at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=religious#map > you see > the highest density of use in Poland and Ireland, where apparently a lot of > constellations are in need for such a tag. > > Certainly it does not target a prayer room

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

Am 31.07.2014 06:24, schrieb Friedrich Volkmann: > On 16.07.2014 13:52, John Packer wrote: >> I saw on the wiki there was some changes on pages related to religious >> landuse. >> It seems there is this tag that was documented only recently (but has around >> 1500 uses, mostly on Europe), and is c

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

Am 31.07.2014 13:07, schrieb Janko Mihelić: > I don't like that seafood includes fresh water fish, and that might make > some misunderstanding among mappers. I'd like a big bold "USE THIS TAG > FOR FRESHWATER FISH ALSO" over the wiki page. > > I like the fishmonger word better, but I understand se

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

2014-07-31 13:07 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić : > I don't like that seafood includes fresh water fish, and that might make > some misunderstanding among mappers. > +1 Take this shop for instance (businesses like this are quite common in Germany and presumably in other countries as well, they are rai

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

Am 31.07.2014 01:45, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > >> Am 30/lug/2014 um 20:42 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny : >> >> There were no objections to following changes: >> shop=jewellery (139) -> shop=jewelry (13299, documented) > > > yes there were, this should be BE spelling > > >> shop=bags (201)

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

If you look at http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=religious#map you see the highest density of use in Poland and Ireland, where apparently a lot of constellations are in need for such a tag. As far as I can see from Poland it is mainly the work of one mapper: https://www.google.com/#q

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

We also already have a drink: key and I wanted a food: key anyway for vending machines. Might also be an option. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drink https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vending-Drinks%26Food A problem with "ice_cream" is there's no way to add it to

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

2014-07-31 15:06 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > I like the fishmonger word better, but I understand seafood is an easier >> word for non-native english speakers. >> > > I am not sure it really is easier for non-natives. Are you a native? I am > not, but back in school we learned the word fish

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-31 15:27 GMT+02:00 fly : > > I use them like this > > > > amenity=cafe cuisine=ice_cream > > there is a waiter / service > > > > amenity=ice_cream > > they sell take away ice cream, but also have at least some tables to sit > down (no service) > > Do you make any differences on bars in Ita

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

2014-07-31 15:33 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss : > He put an area around every church maybe 5-15m distance, that's pretty > much it. I admit it really looks like it's typical there to have a fence > sourounding a small area around the church, but do we need a landuse tag > for that, especially such a gen

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

2014-07-31 15:46 GMT+02:00 Janko Mihelić : > Anyway, I think the future of OSM tagging is in editors like iD that > translate tags into native languages this will level out a lot of fine distinctions and give a lot of power and responsibility to the preset makers. The main problem I see is that

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

Am 31.07.2014 15:47, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > 2014-07-31 15:27 GMT+02:00 fly >: > > > I use them like this > > > > amenity=cafe cuisine=ice_cream > > there is a waiter / service > > > > amenity=ice_cream > > they sell take aw

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/233316289/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/233031632/history They got replaced. But I admit it was less common than I thought. Just happened to click on one of those. There is not even one amenity=church_yard or churchyard (the latter being the correc

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

2014-07-31 15:57 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > this will level out a lot of fine distinctions and give a lot of power and > responsibility to the preset makers. > Yes, that's why I think there should be a centralized tag translation, tag icon, and tag semantic meaning database that all editor

Re: [Tagging] seafood vs fishmonger (was Re: Synonymous values in the shop key)

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Fishmonger is a word that represents exactly what that tag is. A look at > Wikipedia[1] shows that. Seafood is problematic because of the "sea" in the > word and because it can mean a restaurant with seafood. I don't understand > why we woul

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse

As a perhaps helpful example, near my old home in Portland, OR, USA there was a "retreat" facility operated by the catholic diocese. It featured extensive grounds that you might call a park, except that they were fenced and intended for religious or reflective use, with shrines and such placed t

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

On 2014-07-31 at 15:47:39 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > bars are another topic ;-) and a confusing one :) > The only thing you > can be quite sure is that they all offer croissant for breakfast, and > espresso / capuccino / caffè latte, soft drinks and alcoholics. that's basically it, wit

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

For what it's worth, in the United States the terms bar, tavern, lounge, and pub are used almost interchangeably. Some imply table service and general food more than others, but there is no hard rule, and the situation is further complicated by, for example, "bar and grill" having a much differe

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

> On 31/lug/2014, at 16:58, Elena ``of Valhalla'' > wrote: > > how do you tag an italian pasticceria? (of the kind that also serves > coffee and read-to-eat pastry, not the "laboratori di pasticceria" > where you buy things to bring home / elsewhere. I don't recall, haven't seen many of th

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

> On 31/lug/2014, at 17:22, "Jesse B. Crawford" wrote: > > I suspect that this is going to vary far too much by culture to get > acceptable results out of simply tagging as "bar" vs "pub" or whatever might > be proposed. > Yes, getting the fine differences (sometimes it might be just style)

Re: [Tagging] Multistory medical office building

Is this a building completely separate from a hospital? I encounter these buildings as part of a hospital complex and so include them in an area tagged with amenity=hospital. On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > Wondering how to tag a 2 story medical office building. It has

Re: [Tagging] Multistory medical office building

Yes it's separate. It's across the street from a small hospital. On Jul 31, 2014 3:45 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar" wrote: > Is this a building completely separate from a hospital? I encounter these > buildings as part of a hospital complex and so include them in an area > tagged with amenity=hospita

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

Quite a few bars in the USA don't sell breakfast. Local laws control when they can be open, which varies from place to place. On July 31, 2014 8:47:39 AM CDT, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-07-31 15:27 GMT+02:00 fly : > > > > I use them like this > > > > > > amenity=cafe cuisine=ice_cream