Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of France, so here is a translation for a more international debate... According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a petanque pitch (leisure=pitch) is: sport=boules boules=petanque (375 nodes, 75 ways

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 10:00 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of > France, so here is a translation for a more international debate... > > According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a > petanque pitch (leisure=pitch) i

[Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn lanes and other options in very large intersections. The links are connected exactly where they would logically connect one road to the other for each direction. Recently, I have been using Apple's turn by turn directio

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

Oops, forgot the link. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=36.40776&mlon=139.32700#map=19/36.40776/139.32700 Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2014, at 6:14 PM, John Willis wrote: > > I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn > lanes and other options in very l

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

2014-05-15 2:51 GMT+02:00 Fernando Trebien : > And some of these relations (though far from the top of the list) are > not assigned an admin_centre role, even though the node exists. > btw.: The current definition for administrative relations says that admin_centre should be used one or no time

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 11:14 GMT+02:00 John Willis : > I have mapped some complicated intersections using links to represent turn > lanes and other options in very large intersections. The links are > connected exactly where they would logically connect one road to the other > for each direction. > > Recently

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 11:07 GMT+02:00 Dan S : > Much better to standardise on the "chaining" approach i.e. "boules=*" this was also discussed on talk-it (and I think talk-de) in the past: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2013-October/038240.html the wiki advocates for boules=* on the tag

[Tagging] Making TagInfo more useful

It's very disappointing to see this minor feature rewuest: https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47 summarily closed. Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > btw.: The current definition for administrative relations says that > admin_centre should be used one or no time in the relation, but what if > there is more than one admin_centre, e.g. entities where the administration > is split ove

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Dan S wrote: > "type" is far too vague - it doesn't namespace at all, so it doesn't > make it definite if it's a type of boules, a type of pitch, etc. The > english wiki says, and I concur, Key:type "should be avoided": > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:ty

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

2014-05-15 13:09 GMT+02:00 Pieren : > Why not. But the definition shall be clear : it's only the > administrative(s) centre(s) "place(s)" to be linked. The risk if we > don't specify a limit is that contributors will use it to link "all" > places within the boundary (making a substitute of the inf

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

> >> Much better to standardise on the "chaining" approach i.e. "boules=*" > > > > this was also discussed on talk-it (and I think talk-de) in the past: > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2013-October/038240.html > > the wiki advocates for boules=* on the tag page: > http://w

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 nounours77 : > > Current usage is not very intense (80 times), and the top-level approach > > sport=bocce for the Italian variant is higher still: > > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=sport%3Dbocc* > > Not sure to understand you. (there are 30 sport=bocce vs 387

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

Interesting. So it is in fact a rendered-related issue. Since you've pointed out exactly where the problem is in the code, wouldn't it be better to just submit a fix and standardize the mapping practice on capital=[lowest admin_level of related boundary relations]? AFAIK this should only affect ren

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

> > (because of current mapnik rules capital=yes should be preferred over > capital=2, as the style sheet only takes account of capital=yes or not yes: > *https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/project.mml >

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

> It is currently used in states to indicate where to place the node of the state name, because the administrative centre of a state tends to be the same as it's capital city administrative centre. > (example of the label role: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/539668890) Not necessarily though.

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

On Thu, 2014-05-15 at 11:00 +0200, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Well... Private messages tell me that boules might be popular outside of > France, so here is a translation for a more international debate... > > According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dboules a > petanque pitch (

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

Am 15.05.2014 um 14:00 schrieb tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org: > Indeed this is what you can also find reflected in the current usage: > 6 291 > *sport* > *bowls* > boules=bowls -> 0 So should w

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

Sorry, I meant the adminstrative centre of the state's capital city "It is currently used in states to indicate where to place the node of the state name, because the administrative centre of a state tends to be the same as *the state's *capital city administrative centre." 2014-05-15 9:23 GMT-03

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Some more strange cases: We could create an additional role (e.g. "capital") when the "admin_centre" is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid unnecessary duplicates). Pieren ___ Ta

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

On 15/05/2014 14:43, nounours77 wrote: bowls=bowls | petanque | bocce | whatever One could argue that locale=c would lead us toward using 'bowls' but on the other hand even the English-language Wikipedia article for bocce mentions that it "is a ball sport belonging to the boules sport family"

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

On 5/15/14 8:57 AM, Pieren wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen > wrote: > >> Some more strange cases: > We could create an additional role (e.g. "capital") when the > "admin_centre" is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid > unnecessary duplicates). some definitio

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

Am 15.05.2014 11:18, schrieb John Willis:> Oops, forgot the link. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=36.40776&mlon=139.32700#map=19/36.40776/139.32700 And you did hijack another thread. > Sent from my iPhone >> On May 15, 2014, at 6:14 PM, John Willis wrote: >> >> I have mapped some complicat

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

Am 15.05.2014 15:01, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: > On 15/05/2014 14:43, nounours77 wrote: >> bowls=bowls | petanque | bocce | whatever > > One could argue that locale=c would lead us toward using 'bowls' but on > the other hand even the English-language Wikipedia article for bocce > mentions that i

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

Am 15.05.2014 14:57, schrieb Pieren: > On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Matthijs Melissen > wrote: > >> Some more strange cases: > > We could create an additional role (e.g. "capital") when the > "admin_centre" is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid > unnecessary duplicates). So far

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

> If you want to map lanes you should use another tag. Is there a suggestion for a tag that would be appropriate, or is that a thing lost in proposal purgatory? I am not representing individual lanes, but choices (aka, the two through lanes are a single way). ___

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

Yeah, turn:lanes=*. JOSM even has presets and rendering options available to help tag these. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:turn is pretty much The Way To Go at this point, it seems. On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:40 AM, John Willis wrote: > > > If you want to map lanes you should use anot

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

On 15/05/2014 13:23, Matthijs Melissen wrote: - The administrative centre of a region might be licated outside the region in administers. For example, the city of Częstochowa is the administrative centre of Częstochowa county, but the city is not part of the county (the county forms a ring a

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

Umm... Isn't this merely the tagging mailing list? I was unaware that sending an email to the list was a form of hijacking in any respect. I didn't steal the subject line... Maybe I'm missing something. I will recheck the wiki re lanes. I thought I had understood the basic options, it seems th

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM, John Willis wrote: > Umm... Isn't this merely the tagging mailing list? I was unaware that > sending an email to the list was a form of hijacking in any respect. I > didn't steal the subject line... Maybe I'm missing something. > You replied to another message in

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

Am 15.05.2014 16:46, schrieb John Willis: > Umm... Isn't this merely the tagging mailing list? I was unaware that sending > an email to the list was a form of hijacking in any respect. I didn't steal > the subject line... Maybe I'm missing something. The problem is that if you do reply on a dif

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

2014-05-15 15:12 GMT+02:00 Richard Welty : > > We could create an additional role (e.g. "capital") when the > > "admin_centre" is not the capital (and only in this case to avoid > > unnecessary duplicates). > some definitions to keep in mind: > > capital - a city serving as a seat of government >

Re: [Tagging] Making TagInfo more useful

On 15.05.2014 12:36, Andy Mabbett wrote: > It's very disappointing to see this minor feature rewuest: > >https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47 > > summarily closed. Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please? Write the name of the tag as a level 3 or 4 headline above the box

Re: [Tagging] Large, multilane road tagging question

2014-05-15 16:40 GMT+02:00 John Willis : > > If you want to map lanes you should use another tag. > > Is there a suggestion for a tag that would be appropriate, or is that a > thing lost in proposal purgatory? > > well, proposals are just that: suggestions. I am not aware of any proposal dealing

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 14:43 GMT+02:00 nounours77 : > Indeed this is what you can also find reflected in the current usage: > 6 291 > *sport* > *bowls* > boules=bowls -> 0 > > > So should we then go with > > leis

Re: [Tagging] Making TagInfo more useful

On 15 May 2014 16:06, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 15.05.2014 12:36, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> It's very disappointing to see this minor feature request: >> >>https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47 >> >> summarily closed. Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please? > > Write the name

Re: [Tagging] Making TagInfo more useful

On 15 May 2014 11:36, Andy Mabbett wrote: > It's very disappointing to see this minor feature rewuest: > >https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47 > > summarily closed. Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please? In the interim, I've created a wrapper template at: https://wik

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

On 15/05/2014 17:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: but I wouldn't add boules=bowls to this list because it seems quite different (e.g. the pitch is grass and not sand or gravel). Instead sport=bowls is perfectly valid and used twice as much as all kinds of boules together. Sound reasonable to me

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

Am 15.05.2014 18:14, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: > On 15/05/2014 17:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> but I wouldn't add boules=bowls to this list because it seems quite >> different (e.g. the pitch is grass and not sand or gravel). Instead >> sport=bowls is perfectly valid and used twice as much as

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 18:14 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier : > I might also do it for sport=boules;type=bocce which would become > sport=boules;boules=bocce. +1, there is also 1 type=boccia which might be normalized to bocce. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openst

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

On 15/05/2014 18:22, fly wrote: Pretty much everyone has agreed that the type=* is being abused and that chaining sport=boules;boules=petanque is cleaner so I'm going to correct the 718 occurrences of sport=boules;type=petanque into sport=boules;boules=petanque. This would be an

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

Am 15.05.2014 18:24, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > 2014-05-15 18:14 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier >: > > I might also do it for sport=boules;type=bocce which would become > sport=boules;boules=bocce. > > > > +1, there is also 1 type=boccia which might be norm

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

Am 5/15/14 16:30 , schrieb fly: Regarding the original discussion I am in favour of using capital=[2-10]* if an additional tag is needed. The semicolon (;) is defined as value separator so we could have capital=4;6;8 or similar. This just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I also don't s

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

2014-05-15 18:32 GMT+02:00 Andreas Goss : > The semicolon (;) is >> defined as value separator so we could have capital=4;6;8 or similar. >> > > This just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I also don't see why > it would be needed. > > You are doubling the risk of errors when it comes to a

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

Wait a minute. As far as I understood, the key capital=* isn't supposed to simply substitute admin_level. capital=2 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city of this country (which has admin_level=2). capital=4 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city of

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

2014-05-15 18:30 GMT+02:00 fly : > Wikipedia makes a difference between boccia and bocce, even if it is > just the italian name. > the Italian wikipedia states that "Boccia" is Bocce for disabled people, the english WP says it is something very similar. I am no expert in this field but had alway

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

2014-05-15 18:52 GMT+02:00 John Packer : > Wait a minute. > As far as I understood, the key capital=* isn't supposed to simply > substitute admin_level. > capital=2 means this city (which the node represents) is the capital city > of this country (which has admin_level=2). > capital=4 means this c

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

I'd see it like this: capital=2 this place is the capital of a country capital=4 this place is the capital of a region (etc.) i.e. you can see the administrative importance, but there is no notion of which entity the place is the capital. capital=2;4 doesn't make much sense then. You a

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] boules=petanque vs. type=petanque

On 05/15/2014 06:41 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2014-05-15 18:30 GMT+02:00 fly >: > > Wikipedia makes a difference between boccia and bocce, even if it is > just the italian name. > > > the Italian wikipedia states that "Boccia" is Bocce for disabl

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

Am 15.05.2014 18:32, schrieb Andreas Goss: > Am 5/15/14 16:30 , schrieb fly: >> Regarding the original discussion I am in favour of using >> capital=[2-10]* if an additional tag is needed. I meant additional to the roles for the boundary relation above (cutted). admin_centre for 1 or more nodes c

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

Tagging capital=* or admin_level=* on a place is IMHO not to be done lightly. It is not actually an attribute of the place at all, because if you moved the place to e.g. the middle of the Atlantic Ocean it would no longer be a capital. It is an attribute of the relationship between the place and

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > It is not actually an attribute of the place at all, because if you > moved the place to e.g. the middle of the Atlantic Ocean it would no longer > be a capital. It is an attribute of the relationship between the place and > an (administrative)

Re: [Tagging] Making TagInfo more useful

Hi, On 15.05.2014 12:36, Andy Mabbett wrote: > It's very disappointing to see this minor feature rewuest: > >https://github.com/joto/taginfo/issues/47 > > summarily closed. Can you summarily do something to a single thing? > Can anyone suggest a work-around or alternative, please? Well I

Re: [Tagging] Making TagInfo more useful

Hi, oops, silly me, hadn't read the full thread. I see you already found a way to annoy Jochen even without my help ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openst

Re: [Tagging] capital and state_capital: how are they being used in your country?

> > So I say let's ban capital=* and admin_level=* on the place nodes! > We started this discussion because a user pointed out that it can be incredibly inefficient for a renderer to find out using only relations if a place node is a capital or not. Furthermore, we cannot ban the key capital=* fro

Re: [Tagging] Making TagInfo more useful

On 15 May 2014 20:56, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> summarily closed. > > Can you summarily do something to a single thing? https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/summarily then definition 2 on https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/summary -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___