Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

Hi all, Well amenity=* has been something of a default choice in the past, so the definition is quite stretched from "community facilities" as the wiki puts it. There are some well-established tags that might be better as leisure=* or tourism=* if we were starting from scratch. So I'd suggest tour

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

Hi, even if there are examples for such a thing - is it useful? For the breakfast example: It's useful to know that breakfast is served up to 11 if I'm there at 10 to 11 and have to decide to take a breakfast buffet or not; but beforehand I would have to know when it starts serving. For a bar that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: So I created a short proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until In a related point, we need to be careful that when trying to translate all of the data in opening_hours into something that a computer can understand that

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Dan S wrote: > I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of > the suggestions are fine really! Like museum, it is something between science/museum/educational and cinema/theatre/entertainment. In the planetarium I know, the main public is

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

On 2014-02-25 12:02, Pieren wrote : On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Dan S wrote: I'd suggest tourism=planetarium might be the best choice; but all of the suggestions are fine really! Like museum, it is something between science/museum/edu

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren : > Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a > museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for > education and works of art preservation. > +1 (also to the rest). I favor amenity=planetarium cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

I would argue the main public of planetariuns are tourists. 2014-02-25 9:56 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > 2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren : > > Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a >> museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for >> education and works of art preservat

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

Maybe my last email was unclear. I vote on tourism=planetarium 2014-02-25 10:02 GMT-03:00 John Packer : > I would argue the main public of planetariuns are tourists. > > > 2014-02-25 9:56 GMT-03:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > >> >> 2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren : >> >> Unfortunatelly, today in

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

On 25.02.2014 10:21, SomeoneElse wrote: > Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: >> So I created a short proposal: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until >> > In a related point, we need to be careful that when trying to translate > all of the data in opening_hours

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

I guess we can collect some examples on the proposal page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/opening_hours_open_until#Real_world_examples On 24.02.2014 23:37, John F. Eldredge wrote: > One example would be a restaurant near my house, which has a sign painted on > the building,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

On 25.02.2014 09:44, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Hi, > even if there are examples for such a thing - is it useful? > For the breakfast example: It's useful to know that breakfast is served > up to 11 if I'm there at 10 to 11 and have to decide to take a breakfast > buffet or not; but beforehand I would

[Tagging] closing-hours

Hi, I had to tag several parking lots closed on times such as Fr 14:00-22:00 when the market took place there. I raised a convoluted discussion: everyone had a different opinion about that tagging, plus strange comments (*). After more than 10 hours spent in re

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows. I vote leisure=planetarium. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Dan S wrote: > Hi all, > > Well amenity=* has been something of a default choice in the past,

Re: [Tagging] closing-hours

Hi André, as far as I know, the same would be possible with opening_hours="24/7, Fr 14:00-22:00 off" no need for an extra tag. Also keep in mind that two tags opening_hours and closing_hours are error prone when used both together at the same object. regards Peter Am 25.02.2014 14:50, schrieb An

Re: [Tagging] closing-hours

2014-02-25 15:24 GMT+01:00 Peter Wendorff : > Hi André, > as far as I know, the same would be possible with > opening_hours="24/7, Fr 14:00-22:00 off" > +1 if you're very versed in openening_hours tagging (which I am not) you can AFAIK even express stuff like "except every last wednesday in the

Re: [Tagging] closing-hours

> if you're very versed in openening_hours tagging (which I am not) you can > AFAIK even express stuff like "except every last wednesday in the month > from 9:00 to 17:00" (something occuring here e.g. for street cleaning). That's actually related to something I need to do here. How can I describ

Re: [Tagging] closing-hours

On 25.02.2014 15:24, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Hi André, > as far as I know, the same would be possible with > opening_hours="24/7, Fr 14:00-22:00 off" You almost got it. The use of a comma to separate rules does mean that the second rule would be interpreted as additional rule (not overwriting the p

Re: [Tagging] closing-hours

On 25.02.2014 15:46, John Packer wrote: >> if you're very versed in openening_hours tagging (which I am not) you can >> AFAIK even express stuff like "except every last wednesday in the month >> from 9:00 to 17:00" (something occuring here e.g. for street cleaning). > > > That's actually related

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 10:21 GMT+01:00 SomeoneElse : > We certainly shouldn't be mechanically changing opening_hours tags that > don't quite correspond to those rules when we don't quite understand the > cultural context of the original tags. +1 cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 14:32 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider : > The problem with > "12:00-late" is that it is not valid syntax and thous can not evaluated by > software. The "12:00+" is evaluated by opening_hours.js as "12:00-24:00" > which > is probably not long enough in this case. But it does come somewh

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

On 2/25/14 9:08 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums > from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows. I vote > leisure=planetarium. > > clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads of elementary school kid

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

On 25.02.2014 16:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-02-25 14:32 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider : > >> The problem with >> "12:00-late" is that it is not valid syntax and thous can not evaluated by >> software. The "12:00+" is evaluated by opening_hours.js as "12:00-24:00" >> which >> is proba

Re: [Tagging] closing-hours

On 25.02.2014 15:49, Robin `ypid` Schneider wrote: > On 25.02.2014 15:24, Peter Wendorff wrote: >> Hi André, >> as far as I know, the same would be possible with >> opening_hours="24/7, Fr 14:00-22:00 off" > You almost got it. The use of a comma to separate rules does mean that the > second rule wo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

2014-02-25 16:14 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider : > Correct. The nice thing is that we can get both things and I thought I > would get > to there with my change. I still think that the change was not so bad but > I was > not aware of the special meaning. What is the reason why open end does not

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

On 25.02.2014 16:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2014-02-25 16:14 GMT+01:00 Robin `ypid` Schneider : > >> Correct. The nice thing is that we can get both things and I thought I >> would get >> to there with my change. I still think that the change was not so bad but >> I was >> not aware of the s

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

On 2014-02-25 16:00, Richard Welty wrote : > On 2/25/14 9:08 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: >> Educational as they might be, it seems that the primary use of planetariums >> from what I've seen is to get high and watch laser light shows. I vote >> leisure=planetarium. > clearly not everyone has been ther

[Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

Currently the wiki states that man_made=works is a tag for buildings, while IMHO it would be better to see it as a tag for a factory (partly already confirmed by actual current tagging). This should be used similar to amenity=school etc. and comprise the whole area of the plant, while singular buil

[Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

i'm wondering if anyone can speak to where the tagging for fire_hydrant:type came from? i'm seeing two issues with it right now. one is that it conflates two concepts that probably should be separated, the physical delivery method, e.g. fire_hydrant:type=pillar and the water source fire_hydran

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

Am 25.02.2014 13:56, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > 2014-02-25 12:02 GMT+01:00 Pieren >: > > Unfortunatelly, today in OSM, a > museum is more considered as a touristic attraction than a place for > education and works of art preservation. > > > > > +1 (also

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > similar to amenity=school etc. and comprise the whole area of the plant, > while singular buildings can be tagged as specific buildings. Why not. But what about this sentence : "landuse=industrial to show the area around the building

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

> Am 25/feb/2014 um 17:10 schrieb Pieren : > > Why not. But what about this sentence : "landuse=industrial to show > the area around the building. " ? IMHO the building should be included. There's no problem in tagging all areas that are industrially used with landuse=industrial, so my sugge

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

> Am 25/feb/2014 um 17:27 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > >> Am 25/feb/2014 um 17:10 schrieb Pieren : >> >> Why not. But what about this sentence : "landuse=industrial to show >> the area around the building. " ? > > > IMHO the building should be included. There's no problem in tagging

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

There is an interesting question on this tag's talk page: > I think it collide with "building=industrial", "building=factory" and > "landuse=industrial" and i propose to "delete" this Tag. > Or why should we use this Tag? > cptechnik - Peter Coenen - > Windeck

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: tag for planetarium

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > clearly not everyone has been there to see the busloads > of elementary school kids who are actually the main visitors > to planetariums. > Oh, I have. Granted, I only have the planetarium at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry to go

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

I wonder if there might be some regional variation in the US: I've always thought of them as fire hydrants rather than fire plugs. Looks like fire plug might be an older term and technology maybe coming out of England based on the introductory paragraph at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_hydr

Re: [Tagging] wikidata instead of wikipedia

While I was adding name:etymology:wikidata=Q336977 tags to the many streets in Belgium and the Netherlands that were name after the poet Guido Gezelle, I encountered his tombstone. I marked this with a subject:wikidata=Q336977 tag. I hope this is correct. Does it make sense to add something to the

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

2014-02-25 17:44 GMT+01:00 John Packer : > There is an interesting question on this tag's talk page: > >> I think it collide with "building=industrial", "building=factory" and >> "landuse=industrial" and i propose to "delete" this Tag. >> Or why should we use this Tag? > > I think he is confused

[Tagging] Pistemap proposal

Is there any objection to move this page out of the Proposed features? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Piste_Maps This is widely used, and the page is stable for long now. From time to time some opensnowmap.org users feels like they shouldn't use it because of its 'proposal

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

Then I think I am confused too. As the description is right now, what is the difference between building=factory and man_made=works ? Do note that product=* and/or produce=* is not necessarily tied to man_made=works. I see man_made=works is much more used than building=factory, so I probably am mi

Re: [Tagging] wikidata instead of wikipedia

Am 22.02.2014 00:32, schrieb ueliw0: with wikidata now operational, I was wondering if it would make sense to use (tag) wikidata items instead of the wikipedia links. for me wikipedia still makes sense: I think that there is not a wikidata page/ID available for every article. And: article name

Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal

I have a few objections about that proposal: landuse=winter_sports I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. First, landuse=winter_sports here is used to tag a ski resort. That can't be right, because a restaurant can be a part of a ski resort, and it isn't used for winter sports. Second, t

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

2014-02-25 22:06 GMT+01:00 John Packer : > difference between building=factory and man_made=works > the building tag describes a (single) building and its typology while man_made=works is about a production plant with possibly lots of buildings and open areas, infrastructure etc. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal

Interesting. . . I've only skied in the US and Canada and mostly in the western US. Most if not all the alpine/downhill ski areas I've been to have very definitely marked boundaries. There are backcountry and cross country/nordic skiing areas I've been to where the boundaries are vague and unmar

Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal

Janko, I think you understood: I posted here because the proposal is widely used, and pretty stable for a long time. It hasn't undergone any voting process whatsoever, but here it is (in km): { "downhill": 24105, "nordic": 29593, "aerialway": 16051, "skitour": 1171, "sled": 931 , "snowshoeing"

Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal

On 2/25/14 4:27 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I have a few objections about that proposal: > > landuse=winter_sports > I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. First, > landuse=winter_sports here is used to tag a ski resort. That can't be > right, because a restaurant can be a part of a ski re

Re: [Tagging] Pistemap proposal

On 25.02.14 22:27, Janko Mihelić wrote: > landuse=winter_sports > I don't like this way of confining a ski resort. Agreed. This probably is an area where grass is growing. Maybe it is used as a meadow in summer, maybe this is covered with straw, maybe it is used to produce hay. This could only be

Re: [Tagging] wiki definition for man_made=works

A building=factory can also have amenity=restaurant if a restaurant is using an old factory building. I agree with the starting proposal to make man_made=works not neccesarily a building. Janko Dana 25. 2. 2014. 22:08 osoba "John Packer" napisala je: > > Then I think I am confused too. > As the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - opening hours open until

Am 25.02.2014 16:35, schrieb Robin `ypid` Schneider: On 25.02.2014 16:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I don't know in this specific (british) context, but my guess is that 12:00+ indicates (typically) until curfew, while "late" maybe has the meaning "beyond curfew". All right. Interesting. If th