Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
Great! I'll surely count on your expertise, Matthijs. I think the guys at the design list can help us arrive at a good visual style for this. We can start with our 2 cents (malenki's suggestions seem like a great starting point). I agree with Richard, here on the tagging list we should not be conc

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
Ah, happy new years everyone! :D On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Fernando Trebien < fernando.treb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great! I'll surely count on your expertise, Matthijs. I think the guys at > the design list can help us arrive at a good visual style for this. We can > start with our 2 cent

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 1 January 2014 13:35, Fernando Trebien wrote: > If nobody disagrees, I'll consider that the tracktype tag is the best choice > for this decision, and that any value besides grade1 deserves some marking > meaning it's not in what most people consider "good condition". Personally, I'm not a fan

[Tagging] Impassable, damaged and related life cycle concepts

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
Hello again, As I was studying my previous topic here, I discovered that OSRM is now supporting two undocumented tags, by HOT's request: impassable=yes and status=impassable ( https://github.com/DennisOSRM/Project-OSRM/commit/99e9d0d0230789b24df656435a4245edb57b4dac). I believe the HOT team is usi

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
A combined approach makes sense to me. Then people can choose if they want to use the tracktype tag or continue using just the surface tag (either may make sense in different communities; I'd guess the German community will prefer to use tracktype only with highway=track). I think the following val

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 01.01.2014 17:28, schrieb Fernando Trebien: > A combined approach makes sense to me. Then people can choose if they want > to use the tracktype tag or continue using just the surface tag (either may > make sense in different communities; I'd guess the German community will > prefer to use trackt

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
I meant "rendered as paved" in these situations indeed. I believe you may prefer 3 different renderings: one for the absence of the surface tag (same as the current default style), one for paved-like surfaces (perhaps some darker solid outline - but we need to distinguish that from bridges and via

[Tagging] Mechanical edit - Musical instrument

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, As you remember, I had proposed to automatically change all objects tagged with shop=musical_instruments into shop=musical_instrument. I had asked permission from the Data Working Group for this edit. Today, I received an answer from the Data Working Group. They indicated that they do n

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC 2 - Gambling

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi Severin, Thank you, that is very helpful. -- Matthijs On 24 December 2013 14:00, Severin MENARD wrote: > Hi, > > I confirm shop that sell lottery tickets are very common in some countries, > eg in Haiti. I uploaded one of my personal photo: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Lottery_h

[Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Gambling

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, There are currently various tags for gambling-related shops and amenities in use. This proposal aims to clarify how these tags should be used. Voting on this proposal is now open: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Gambling The only difference with the last RFC is th

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bag shop, pet shop

2014-01-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, Currently the tags shop=bag (303) and shop=pet (4501) are used in parallel to the less used tags shop=bags (177) and shop=pets (137). I propose to agree on the defacto standard (the singular). In order to accomplish that, I have created two proposal pages: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Fernando Trebien wrote: > Listing 1: way count of paved ways : : > Listing 2: way count of unpaved ways : : Finally, we just need a "paved" and "unpaved" value for "surface". This combined with tracktype would be far enough and simple for everyone. Pieren ___

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
Maybe, or maybe not. Routers may adjust routing decisions for each surface type. Asphalt and sett could be "paved" for rendering, but for routing there may be a preference towards asphalt roads. Here in Brazil, taking this into account when computing routes would greatly improve route quality withi

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
Btw, Matthijs, a Brazilian user (one of the most interested in this matter) just informed me that Garmin has a PC program called Mapsource that paints unpaved roads with dashed outlines, just as you suggested. On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Fernando Trebien wrote: > Maybe, or maybe not. Routers

[Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread David Bannon
Hello Fernando, I was just advised about this mailing list so have joined yet another ! (sigh...) Thanks for pushing this issue, my concern is that people's lives are potentially at risk here. While I am not really committed to using tracktype= as the trigger, on the Austrialian mailing list we

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2014-01-01 at 22:00 -0200, Fernando Trebien wrote: > A smarter router could even change this preference > based on weather conditions (under rain, sett gets considerably > slippery, and dirt would be far less preferable than compacted). > I guess that is why I like the use of trackty

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
Welcome, David. If you've just been advised about this discussion, you may wish to read it from the start: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Tags-useful-for-rendering-of-roads-in-poor-conditions-td5791303.html Like you, I'm concerned about road safety. I'm concerned about making the visual map better

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
I agree with you, but I think both tags would be useful in different contexts. For instance, to me, tracktype (current + your new recommendations) seems particularly oriented to car routing. For that purpose, I agree that it would be a great choice. Surface, on the other hand, seems more useful for

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Dave Swarthout
I want to add my opinion on this topic before you make a decision. Where I do most of my mapping, the United States and Thailand, most roads are paved. The assumption therefore is that in the absence of a surface tag, the road is considered paved and rendered according to one of several schemes (wh

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread Fernando Trebien
We may need to vote to decide which is the best default assumption. What most mappers would prefer, I believe, is that paved is default, because most mappers (like you and me) are mapping in more developed countries. It's not so good for poorer nations (as Peter pointed out), but my main objective

Re: [Tagging] Tags useful for rendering of roads in poor conditions

2014-01-01 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2014-01-01 at 22:57 -0200, Fernando Trebien wrote: > Welcome, David. If you've just been advised about this discussion, you > may wish to read it from the start: > http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Tags-useful-for-rendering-of-roads-in-poor-conditions-td5791303.html > Actually, the particular