Am 01.01.2014 17:28, schrieb Fernando Trebien:
> A combined approach makes sense to me. Then people can choose if they want
> to use the tracktype tag or continue using just the surface tag (either may
> make sense in different communities; I'd guess the German community will
> prefer to use tracktype only with highway=track). I think the following
> values of the surface tag could be considered paved: [none] (no surface tag
> present), paved, asphalt, concrete, concrete:lanes, concrete:plates,
> paving_stones, sett, grass_paver, cobblestone, metal, wood, tartan. 
I only partly agree on none for your wording to "be considered paved".
If you mean "rendered as paved", I agree, but no information is no
information here, and what's the default heavily depends on where you are.
In many parts of Africa "none" should be considered unpaved by default,
in many parts of Western Europe for highway=residential and above it
would be paved.
Therefore there should NOT be a rendered default assumption in the
Mapnik Rendering where there is nothing.
Leave it as it is no (undecorated) where no value is given.

> All
> other values, including new and undocumented values, could be unpaved by
> default. 
Why should all other values be unpaved, if you don't know about what it
is? You simply don't know if a new value could be counted as paved or
not without investigating that exact value.
I could imagine new values for both, and if you propose rendering stuff
with an assumption that is decided to be wrong for some values, this
will lead to mappers not using correct tags or even tagging wrong to
prevent "the map" to show what they would call wrong.

> How about this? Moreover, TagInfo (
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=surface) lists a few other
> undocumented values that may be considered paved, such as
> cobblestone:flattened (same as sett? to be discouraged?), bricks and
> interlock (both similar to paving_stones?), cement (quite similar to
> concrete?), stone and rocky and rock and limerock and granite (similar in
> practice to sett or cobblestone?).
You see: There's quite a lot, so don't use defaults here when applying
rules to the default map rendering.
The Mapnik Map IMHO should show what's in OSM, not what one could
estimate out of it.

regards
Peter


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