Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! 2013/11/28 Egil Hjelmeland > I still do not think man_made=surveillance is perfect. But I do not have > huge problems with it as long as it is documented. > If something is properly documented in OSM it is a near to perfection as it will ever get ;-) I also think that surveillance does mak

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Jonathan
I would agree, I think that covers it. A webcam is surveillance, it's a camera that is watching you making it available to anyone. Some would say that is a greater infringement than an official camera that is regulated. Maybe the wiki page needs re-wording to reflect that it doesn't matter

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Egil Hjelmeland
On 29. nov. 2013 10:32, Jonathan wrote: I would agree, I think that covers it. A webcam is surveillance, it's a camera that is watching you making it available to anyone. Some would say that is a greater infringement than an official camera that is regulated. Maybe the wiki page needs re-wo

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Zecke
Am 29.11.2013 13:03, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: I think we live in different universes. This is the kind of stuff I am interested in: http://webcam.svorka.net/bollen/ http://webcam.sollia.net/image.jpg A webcam is a webcam. This example is also called a weathercam: http://www.wetter.tv/de/webcam

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 29.11.2013 13:03, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: On 29. nov. 2013 10:32, Jonathan wrote: I would agree, I think that covers it. A webcam is surveillance, it's a camera that is watching you making it available to anyone. Some would say that is a greater infringement than an official camera that

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Jonathan
+1 http://bigfatfrog67.me On 29/11/2013 13:18, Zecke wrote: Am 29.11.2013 13:03, schrieb Egil Hjelmeland: I think we live in different universes. This is the kind of stuff I am interested in: http://webcam.svorka.net/bollen/ http://webcam.sollia.net/image.jpg A webcam is a webcam. This exam

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Pieren
I have no problem to use a different tag. The purpose is not the same. It's maybe country specific but a webcam is usually not allowed to film the public in such a way that people can be identified. In the opposite, a CCTV can film more things and the aim is to be able to identify faces. Regarding

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-29 Thread Pee Wee
Today voting has started. I hope our answers/comments to some objections have been good enough for your support. Happy voting. Cheers PeeWee32 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-29 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Pee Wee wrote: Probably a link to the wiki would help... Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Bicycle=use_cycleway

2013-11-29 Thread Pee Wee
Sorry this was my firts proposal. Wikilink http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle_use_cycleway 2013/11/29 Pieren > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Pee Wee wrote: > > Probably a link to the wiki would help... > > Pieren > > ___ > Tagging maili

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > 2013/11/17> The definition given for the landuse-polygon seems too > restrictive, I'd > ditch the second part "are constructed up to a boundary or barrier > separating this land from private property." > (Because there doesn't have to be private property along a ro

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread Tod Fitch
On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > >> 2013/11/17> The definition given for the landuse-polygon seems too >> restrictive, I'd >> ditch the second part "are constructed up to a boundary or barrier >> separating this land from private property." >> (

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread cracklinrain
Am 29.11.2013 16:31, schrieb Tod Fitch: > On Nov 29, 2013, at 7:07 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > >> >> Martin Koppenhoefer writes: >> >>> 2013/11/17> The definition given for the landuse-polygon seems too >>> restrictive, I'd >>> ditch the second part "are constructed up to a boundary or barrier >>

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Yves
Also, for me 'surveillance' conotes a security related camera. I fear that if the actual definition is extended to the so called webcam, this connotation will prevent the use of it to webcams. A simple scheme like webcam=weather/yes/..., url= would be so simple ! For the need for the tag, given t

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Yves wrote: > Also, for me 'surveillance' conotes a security related camera. > I fear that if the actual definition is extended to the so called webcam, > this connotation will prevent the use of it to webcams. > A simple scheme like webcam=weather/yes/..., url= w

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Yves
It may be too obvious, but one good thing, with 'webcam', is that it describes what it is ! Clifford Snow a écrit : >On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Yves wrote: > >> Also, for me 'surveillance' conotes a security related camera. >> I fear that if the actual definition is extended to the so ca

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Jonathan
Why can we not have: man_made=surveillance surveillance:type=webcam surveillance:zone=weather;traffic;scenic. url=http:// The overarching category of man_made=surveillance is important because no matter what the intention of a webcam it is pushing to the internet and therefore there is

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Jonathan wrote: > Why can we not have: > > man_made=surveillance > surveillance:type=webcam > surveillance:zone=weather;traffic;scenic. > url=http:// > > The overarching category of man_made=surveillance is important because no > matter what the intention

Re: [Tagging] preproposal : internet webcam

2013-11-29 Thread nounours
Am 29.11.2013 um 21:02 schrieb Jonathan: > Why can we not have: > > man_made=surveillance > surveillance:type=webcam > surveillance:zone=weather;traffic;scenic. > url=http:// completly agree that all cameras should share a common tagging! BUT: 1) man_made does not make any sense for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 29.11.2013 um 16:31 schrieb Tod Fitch : > Typical in the US is that the "right of way" (ROW) is the land on which a > carriage way is built. That land area is, if possible, quite a bit wider than > the traveled way and will include the land used for shoulders, drainage > systems, cuts and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread Dave Swarthout
The concept of landuse=highway makes sense for me as well, especially when describing freeways and their interchanges or major highways. In most of the U.S. there is a fixed distance from the centerline of a highway on either side that belongs to the governing administrative body, be it city, town

Re: [Tagging] opening-hours off closed

2013-11-29 Thread André Pirard
Hi Eckhart, On 2013-11-28 20:45, Eckhart Wörner wrote : > Okay, here is a (probably incomplete) list: > - the meaning of "off" is wrong And, once again, what is the correct meaning? I wrote before that this keyword is defined nowhere in [the rest of] the page. When I discussed my tagging problem,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - landuse=highway

2013-11-29 Thread Greg Troxel
cracklinrain writes: > German roads are built similar. But usually this is not dependent on > stuff like property. Usually land owners are forced to fit onto the > local prescriptions. So maybe a ditch is part of the property of a > private person, but part of the street. Barriers are already pa