Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Rovastar
I think Martin it is best to focus your proposal on the area that is manageable, smaller in scale and something that your know and have passion about. So in this case I would just do a something for trams. I think the initial problems with the proposal was it was radical and effected millions of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Rovastar
Apologies I looked a little more at the San Fran area link you post you do have relations for the tram (which you added as tram yesterday...) as a road combo just not for each line of the trams which is tagged as light_rail. Which I presume it is just a tram line and therefore wrong anyway. I can

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Rovastar
Now I started looking at trams and lightrail I see more of a need of consistent standards. They seem to be used interchangeably in San Fran and in Portland which was quoted a good example in the US most (nearly all) of what I would call tram lines are tagged light_rail with some tagged as trams li

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Rovastar
It seems that the terms light rail and tram are used interchangeably around the world so mostly ignore my last comments. I don't know where this leave OSM tagging standards for them though. In the UK we do class them as different and it just show my sheltered life and knowledge on this subject.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Philip Barnes
Just a thought. Is the word tram widely understood in the US? That could be a reason, the closest to street car found is light rail maybe. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 14/04/2013 14:02 Rovastar wrote: Now I started looking at trams and lightrail I see more of a need of consist

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi, My view (I'll try to be concise). Being able to map both abstractions (like a schematic route) and physical details is a real problem. We need to be able to do both. The problem is not unique to rail. Use cases I've thought of: - roads (the road network, vs the individual bits of tarmac) - r

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Colin Smale
What about the difference in signalling systems? As I understand it, what I would call a Tram is completely under control of the driver. He/she alone decides when to stop/start, and even which way to go at junctions. They have "traffic lights" which are interconnected with the lights for other r

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Martin Atkins
On 04/14/2013 06:02 AM, Rovastar wrote: Now I started looking at trams and lightrail I see more of a need of consistent standards. They seem to be used interchangeably in San Fran and in Portland which was quoted a good example in the US most (nearly all) of what I would call tram lines are tagg

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Martin Atkins
On 04/14/2013 06:32 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: Hi, My view (I'll try to be concise). Being able to map both abstractions (like a schematic route) and physical details is a real problem. We need to be able to do both. The problem is not unique to rail. Use cases I've thought of: - roads (the roa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Paul Johnson
Trams are ambiguous, in fact, Portland Transit calls their tram the Portland Streetcar, and their aerial gondola the OHSU Tram. Large trams border into light rail, the streetcar's heavier, faster, longer cousin. On Apr 14, 2013 8:03 AM, "Rovastar" wrote: > Now I started looking at trams and ligh

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - More Consistency in Railway Tagging

2013-04-14 Thread Paul Johnson
Well, even in tram systems, there's some degree of block signaling, even if it's only where the track you're on crosses another track and otherwise uses street signals. Likewise, at least in the Portland system, light rail signals in areas where the trains run on street or on a roadway median have

Re: [Tagging] Power generation refinement: power plant model evolution

2013-04-14 Thread François Lacombe
Hi LM_1 Here is the first opnion in favor of using relations in this thread, let's debate :) 2013/4/12 LM_1 > 1) All situations complex and simple can be mapped in the same way - this > makes my mapping easier. > That's the point which is highlighted by data quality and consistency persons. I

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (highway=bicyle_crossing) (Alberto)

2013-04-14 Thread Alberto
As a result of the discussion done here about bicycle-only crossings, I've made a proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/bicycle_crossing Cheers Alberto - Viking81 __