Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Steve Doerr
That's not what I would call a chicane. For me, they generally involve obstructions protruding from the sides of a road. There's a picture on Wikipedia here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/One-lane_chicane_1.jpg. S On 14/05/2012 03:25, Clifford Snow wrote: On Sun, May 1

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/14 Clifford Snow : > On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Anthony wrote: >> What is the difference between traffic_calming=chicane and a small >> roundabout?  Is it based on who has the right of way? > Here is an example in Seattle. http://g.co/maps/nvhfh  We have traffic > calming islands all

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/14 Steve Doerr : > That's not what I would call a chicane. For me, they generally involve > obstructions protruding from the sides of a road. There's a picture on > Wikipedia here: > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/One-lane_chicane_1.jpg. According to the current wiki chi

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Tobias Knerr
14.05.2012 09:50, Martin Vonwald wrote: > According to the current wiki chicanes are "Hazards on the street you > have to drive round". This would fit the image. Also at least in my > region we use traffic_calming=chicane to map these: > http://www.adfc-laatzen.de/adfc/radwege/fahrbahnverengungen/e

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/14 Steve Doerr : > That's not what I would call a chicane. For me, they generally involve > obstructions protruding from the sides of a road. There's a picture on > Wikipedia here: > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/One-lane_chicane_1.jpg. IMHO all measurements aiming at

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/14 Martin Koppenhoefer : > IMHO all measurements aiming at reducing traffic speed by physical > means can be regarded chicanes. sorry, I take that back ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/14 Tobias Knerr : > I consider neither that example nor the ones on your roundabout example > page a chicane. Instead, I'd specifically expect _alternating_ > obstructions on the left and right side of the road. > > Your example is more like an island. What is your suggestion to tag this? t

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/13 Craig Wallace : > Or maybe a more general tag, that could also include shops selling things > for knitting, quilting, embroidery etc. > Possibly something like shop=craft_materials ? craft_materials is ambiguous IMHO, I wouldn't expect its use to be limited to shops selling stuff for kn

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/14 Martin Vonwald : > 2012/5/14 Tobias Knerr : >> I consider neither that example nor the ones on your roundabout example >> page a chicane. Instead, I'd specifically expect _alternating_ >> obstructions on the left and right side of the road. >> >> Your example is more like an island. > > W

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Tobias Knerr
14.05.2012 13:04, Martin Vonwald: > Actually a wiki page exists for that: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:traffic_calming=island > It was created just two months ago and the value is not documented in > the main article about traffic calming. The value is used about 400 > times currently.

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! The reworked article about junction=roundabout is now more or less finished, so please comment on the whole article: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Imagic/Werkstatt Still open, so please provide feedback: * Decision if traffic_calming=chicane or traffic_calming=island should be used

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Peter Wendorff
If anyone of you is going to edit that page anyway, please add the combination suggestions with highway=crossing; crossing=island; I would say, not all islands are island-crossings, but (nearly all) crossings with an islands calm down traffic, so it's a useful combination. regards Peter Am 14.

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/14 Peter Wendorff : > If anyone of you is going to edit that page anyway, please add the > combination suggestions with highway=crossing; crossing=island; > I would say, not all islands are island-crossings, but (nearly all) > crossings with an islands calm down traffic, so it's a useful com

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/14 Martin Vonwald : > 2012/5/14 Peter Wendorff : >> If anyone of you is going to edit that page anyway, please add the >> combination suggestions with highway=crossing; crossing=island; >> I would say, not all islands are island-crossings, but (nearly all) >> crossings with an islands calm d

[Tagging] Turning circle with island or turning loop (was Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Josh Doe
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > As promised I created a few (positive/negative) examples of > roundabouts, mini-roundabouts and turning circles to prevent > misinterpretations in the future. [...] > You can find the examples here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wi

Re: [Tagging] Turning circle with island or turning loop (was Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Josh Doe
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Josh Doe wrote: > It looks good to me, except for the last example of a "turning loop" > as I've been calling it. I should point out that there's been prior discussion of this without resolution: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dturning_circl

Re: [Tagging] Turning circle with island or turning loop (was Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Martin Vonwald
> It looks good to me, except for the last example of a "turning loop" > as I've been calling it. We're going to have the same problem with > this one, because they are abundant and very small, thus people will > likely mis-tag it rather than drawing a tiny loop. When I fixed up > some of westendgu

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - TMC - New tagging scheme for TMC

2012-05-14 Thread fly
On 14/05/12 07:10, Eckhart Wörner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2012, 18:31:26 schrieb fly: >> The inspector shows wrong data. >> >> Seems to me that the system was not updated after the last proposal changes >> and >> now the tags are mixed up. >> >> http://osm-tmc.infoware.de/tmc/?view=t

Re: [Tagging] Turning circle with island or turning loop (was Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/14/2012 11:02 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: The longer I think about it, the more I'm asking myself: do we really need a tag for this? If someone doesn't want to map it as loop, why not simply end the road without any additional tag? What information are we missing then, that we are not missing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - TMC - New tagging scheme for TMC

2012-05-14 Thread Eckhart Wörner
Am Montag, 14. Mai 2012, 17:04:19 schrieb fly: > By the way, where do you get the data from and is it somewhere available > ? With the old scheme there existed another website with the data. > (http://osm.anders-hamburg.de/?lcd=1) the German import is described here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel

2012-05-14 Thread D4RK-L3G10N
Agreed! +2 D4RK-L3G10N From: Tobias Johansson To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel > Somebody should  start an OpenServicesDatabase-project, that would > host

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-14 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-05-13 03:38, Mihkel Rämmel wrote: Someone (Suslikk) has recently added shop=bag & shop=haberdashery to map features page. Both tags are only very few times used. shop=haberdashery is used 20 times and shop=bag is used 33 times (shop=bags is used 70 times). Haberdashery doesn't have it's

Re: [Tagging] Shop=bag & shop=haberdashery in wiki map features page

2012-05-14 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
I bought a laptop backpack from a shop that sells bags just a bit over a week ago. My wife bought a handbag and some small bags. Neither of us bought a travel, nor were these bags travel-related. The store sells also bags that are clearly luggage. They don't sell travels ;) So, these stores sel