Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
I don't see why this discussion is so complicated. OSM tags are based on British English terms for historic reasons. In that contest there is a clean-cut distinction between a roundabout and a mini-roundabout: Quote from Wikipedia: "Mini-roundabouts can be a painted circle or a low dome but must be

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Vonwald
I guess(!) the discussion is so complicated, because some people misinterpreted for whatever reason a mini-roundabout with a small roundabout, tagged it as mini and now don't want to fix all their existing tags. I can understand (but not support) the latter, but I don't understand why we shouldn't

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/9 Martin Vonwald : > I guess(!) the discussion is so complicated, because some people > misinterpreted for whatever reason a mini-roundabout with a small > roundabout, tagged it as mini and now don't want to fix all their > existing tags. +1 > Does a plugin for JOSM exist, which replaces

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
There is one annoying complication of the "real" roundabout in comparison with the mini-roundabout (and for which I also have "cheated" in some cases) and that is the handling of bus and cycle route relations. These have to be split at every roundabout into two halves with role "forward". >From tha

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/9 Martin Koppenhoefer : > I am not aware of a plugin, but you can draw a way with 2 nodes > (diameter) and hit "SHIFT+O", this will create a circle (you can set > the default node amount for the circle in advanced preferences). You'd > then tag this correctly, ensure that it points in the ri

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Pieren
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > The splitting of the roundabout for the route relations is also causing a > lot of unintentional "vandalism", where mappers add a roundabout, and do not > check for the existence of routes. I often do not add roundabouts (in > cities) becau

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Auctioneer

2012-05-09 Thread John Sturdy
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:23 PM, D4RK-L3G10N wrote: > Dear fellow mappers, > > I have created a proposal to map an auctioneer Note that in Ireland (at least in the southwest, which is the only part I've lived in) the term "auctioneer" is used to refer to what in the UK are called "estate agents",

[Tagging] symbol=* documentation?

2012-05-09 Thread Ferenc Veres
Hi, Can somebody please write a brief documentation to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:symbol I'm not sure I understand the tag's use. We are currently discussing the use on the Hungarian mailing list, would be great to have some pointers, "standard". IDEAS ONLY - please copy to wiki

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/9 Volker Schmidt : > There is one annoying complication of the "real" roundabout in comparison > with the mini-roundabout (and for which I also have "cheated" in some cases) > and that is the handling of bus and cycle route relations. These have to be > split at every roundabout into two hal

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/9 Pieren : > In my country, we have a large consensus about this : we do not split > roundabouts for routes. Data consumers should manage the case. Around here we do split roundabouts for routes (as we don't want to have a route on a way part where it isn't). Data consumers should manage t

Re: [Tagging] symbol=* documentation?

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/9 Ferenc Veres : > The symbol tag is used for describing hiking trails by a human readable > name. It is usually accompanied with {{Key|osmc:symbol}}, which contains > a machine readable description of the hiking trail. Example: > > symbol = red bar > osmc:symbol = red:white:red_bar > > Impl

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] POI for Hotel

2012-05-09 Thread Tobias Johansson
> Somebody should  start an OpenServicesDatabase-project, that would > host information about hotels, restaurants, cafes, museums and parks > with detailed description of amenities provided along with user > reviews. > > /Markus Great idea +1 /Thod ___

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: > I can understand (but not support) the latter, but I don't understand > why we shouldn't tag new minis correctly. Maybe because drawing a > circle and tagging it with highway=* and junction=roundabout is more > work than simply placing a node

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > There is one annoying complication of the "real" roundabout in comparison > with the mini-roundabout (and for which I also have "cheated" in some cases) > and that is the handling of bus and cycle route relations. These have to be > split at

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: >> I can understand (but not support) the latter, but I don't understand >> why we shouldn't tag new minis correctly. Maybe because drawing a >> circle and tagging it with highway=* and junction

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/5/9 Anthony : > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: >> I can understand (but not support) the latter, but I don't understand >> why we shouldn't tag new minis correctly. Maybe because drawing a >> circle and tagging it with highway=* and junction=roundabout is more >> work t

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/9 Anthony : > It's also what the wiki tells us to do (in some places):  "Small > roundabouts are just represented as a node which is tagged > highway=mini_roundabout." > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout) Hm.. ok, this is just plain wrong. And what I really like

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I am not aware of a plugin, but you can draw a way with 2 nodes > (diameter) and hit "SHIFT+O", this will create a circle (you can set > the default node amount for the circle in advanced preferences). You'd > then tag this correctly, en

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/5/9 Steve Bennett : > There is a coming enhancement for Potlatch 2 that does something like > this. It's still waiting to be reviewed. It's actually a bit more > streamlined: you select the intersection node, move the mouse to where > the roundabout should be, press 'A', and voila. It even sor

Re: [Tagging] symbol=* documentation?

2012-05-09 Thread Sander Deryckere
In Belgium, we use it for some types of walking routes, and we do it this way: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Walking_Routes#Natuurpunt So we have standard symbols (square, rectangle, triangle ...) which are combined with a colour tag. But sometimes a logo is us

[Tagging] beer details, draught beer

2012-05-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I'd like to note for pubs, cafes, bars, restaurants and similar if they offer draught beer. My suggestion would be draught_beer=yes or maybe the value could be a selection of brands (or beer types), seperated by semicolons, which would still be easily valuable (not "no" or NULL) as long as you ar

Re: [Tagging] beer details, draught beer

2012-05-09 Thread Graham Jones
There was a similar discussion on the UK list last year when we were making our BrewMap . I think we settled on real_ale=yes, but I suspect that was more on the basis that draught beer was an expectation and we wanted to know if it was 'real' beer/ale/ciderbut I ne

Re: [Tagging] symbol=* documentation?

2012-05-09 Thread Ferenc Veres
Hi, I just found this page, which links to country specific mapping of hiking paths: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walking_Routes But as I can see, some of these use human-readable explanation of the "symbol", so I think my description for the tag was OK and I'll add it to the Wiki pag

Re: [Tagging] symbol=* documentation?

2012-05-09 Thread Sander Deryckere
> Sander, your Belgian tagging could use "color" and "symbol" in one tag, > that makes it easier for software to read and mappers to write. For > computer-processed value you could still use osmc:symbol. > > Ferenc > For clarity, those conventions are 3 years old, even before I joined OSM: http:/

Re: [Tagging] beer details, draught beer

2012-05-09 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-05-09 12:57, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd like to note for pubs, cafes, bars, restaurants and similar if they offer draught beer. Seems like there some discussion about detailed tagging, including micro-breweries etc. I'm thinking it was related to the California coastline somewhere