Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011/7/1 Nathan Edgars II : >> thank you for this comment Paul. I overlooked this and will change it >> the next days. I guess the thing on the pic is a kind of guard_rail >> (probably could be subtagged). I didn't put this picture in myself and >> it is not showing what I had in mind when suggesti

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011/7/1 Paul Johnson : > On 06/30/2011 05:35 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: >> How about lane dividers?  This is an example below, though where I'm >> thinking of them they actually divide a couple of lanes for about a km >> or so - no lane changing allowed at that point. >> http://www.ingalcivil.com.au/

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher : > I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately > tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about > subtags like barrier:key=yes/no/number. I've been trying to tag in useful > ways for the blind and was wondering whether

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011/7/3 Stephen Hope : > Maybe these are better examples of what I meant, though I have seen > the others in use in the same role. > > http://www.zjeastsea.com/en/lane-divider.html > http://www.roadstud.com.cn/road-studs/61.html > > I wouldn't call them bollards - bollard implies to me something t

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011/7/1 Brad Neuhauser : > just an FYI, one hyphenated tag still on the wiki & in use is > amenity=parking, parking=multi-storey There is many more of them. I propose to use service=drive-through to follow our standard recommendations (BE, no abbrevs, underscores instead of spaces, hyphens where

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

Am 04.07.2011 13:03, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: > 2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher : >> I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately >> tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about >> subtags like barrier:key=yes/no/number. I've been trying to tag in

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:11:17 +0200 > From: dieterdre...@gmail.com > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through? > > There is many more of them. I propose to use > service=drive-through I agree with this. Maybe we should do one "final" v

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types + barrier on top of each other or nested

Am 01.07.2011 17:47, schrieb SomeoneElse: > On 01/07/2011 16:49, fly wrote: >> A check on data how often these values are already used would be >> helpful, maybe we can accept some without voting. > You mean like: > > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/barrier#values Thanks, Seems to me that t

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM, James Mast wrote: >> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:11:17 +0200 >> From: dieterdre...@gmail.com >> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through? >> >> There is many more of them. I propose to use >> service=drive-through >

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

Am 04.07.2011 15:14, schrieb Anthony: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:07 AM, James Mast wrote: >>> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:11:17 +0200 >>> From: dieterdre...@gmail.com >>> To: tagging@openstreetmap.org >>> Subject: Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through? >>> >>> There is many more of the

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Anthony wrote: > Besides, the fact that someone made a mistake back in 2007 is not a > good reason to make a similar mistake today.  There's no good reason > to replace hyphens with underscores. There are plenty of good reasons. The fact that many people seem to li

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Our tagging system (at least for formal values) generally uses English > words, but the syntax is not English grammar. Anyone with an good > programming background would immediately recognize how the formal keys > and values have been co

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Anthony wrote: >> Besides, the fact that someone made a mistake back in 2007 is not a >> good reason to make a similar mistake today.  There's no good reason >> to replace hyphens with underscores. > > There are plenty of good reason

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > There is many more of them. I propose to use > service=drive-through > to follow our standard recommendations (BE, no abbrevs, underscores > instead of spaces, hyphens where they should be). Funnily we have: 81 instances of denominatio

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011/7/4 fly : > Am 04.07.2011 13:03, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: >> 2011/7/2 Gary Gallagher : >>> I like the proposal. I'm always coming across barriers I can't adequately >>> tag. The section that also caught my eye was the bit near the end about >>> subtags like barrier:key=yes/no/number. I've

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

How about this: The Wikipedia article on U-turn has no instance of "U turn" yet we use restriction=no_u_turn and not restriction=no_u-turn. 11230 instances of restriction=no_u_turn http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/restriction=no_u_turn 0 instances of re

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > 81 instances of denomination=latter_day_saints > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=latter_day_saints see below > 331 instances of denomination=seventh_day_adventist > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=seventh_day_adventist > 1 in

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:59 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : >> 81 instances of denomination=latter_day_saints >> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/denomination=latter_day_saints > > see below > > >> 331 instances of denomination=seventh_day_adventist >> http://t

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

btw.: I adjusted the wiki page so that it reflects the original tag and the potlatch preset (JOSM has no preset for this) as well as the English spelling. btw2: The problem is present with drive-in as well. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Taggi

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > I prefer to convert hyphens to underscores so why would I "correct" this? and what do you suggest to convert underscores to? cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > I prefer to convert hyphens to underscores so why would I "correct" this? Only hyphens? Why? Just because you found a few other places where this was done? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > add it to the proposal ? > > > > I do not know/find barrier=door. Didi I miss something or do you want to > I do not want to add it, because I think that building=entrance does > > I'm using "barrier=door" from time to time when a priv

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

2011/7/4 Pieren : > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 3:51 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > I'm using "barrier=door" from time to time when a private service street is > closed by a door (not a gate) or a named path or footway, again when it is > closed physically by a door (it is private but has a street

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On 04/07/2011 14:59, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar: 609 instances of shop=second_hand http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=second_hand my dictionary tells me that the correct writing is "second hand" so second_hand seems correct. The adjective 'second-han

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> Our tagging system (at least for formal values) generally uses English >> words, but the syntax is not English grammar. Anyone with an good >> programming background would immediately re

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Anthony wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >>> Our tagging system (at least for formal values) generally uses English >>> words, but the syntax is not English grammar.

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Anthony wrote: > I don't deny that the underscore can be used in a programming language > to represent a hyphen.  I was denying that "Anyone with an good > programming background would immediately recognize how the formal keys > and values have been constructed".

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Anthony wrote: > I don't deny that the underscore can be used in a programming language > to represent a hyphen.  I was denying that "Anyone with an good > programming background would immediately recognize how the formal keys > and values have been constructed".  

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > Your point actually gives us a reason to use underscores instead of > hyphens. If many people can't remember that two words are correctly > hyphenated ("without doing research that a hyphen was correct in the > first place"), why should we force "correct" hyphens wh

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > Seriously, you seem to have picked on this particular issue and are > now advocating wrong spelling pretending this would make mapping > easier. IMHO correct spelling (inherent logics) is always easier t

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Anthony wrote: >> I don't deny that the underscore can be used in a programming language >> to represent a hyphen.  I was denying that "Anyone with an good >> programming background would immediately re

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > There's a precedent in programming to use underscores to > represent other characters other than spaces and there are several > tags in existence that do just that. There's also precedent to substitute characters other than spaces with

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:07 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : >> Seriously, you seem to have picked on this particular issue and are >> now advocating wrong spelling pretending this would make mapping

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Anthony wrote: > Still, it doesn't make sense that "some people incorrectly use spaces > instead of hyphens" implies that we should convert hyphens into spaces > (which then get converted into underscores).  If we're going to > standardize, and one of the two choic

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > [...] and I'd > really like to hear other people's thoughts on this so that we can > gauge if there's a consensus for whatever. There obviously isn't a consensus, unless you're saying you've changed your mind.

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types + barrier on top of each other or nested

I find especially the node barriers (bollard, kissing gate, cycle gate, lift gate ...) very handy. This way you can express that a certain type of vehicle cannot pass or has to slow down a lot. I think they will come more popular over time. 2011/7/4 fly > Am 01.07.2011 17:47, schrieb SomeoneElse

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011/7/4 Eugene Alvin Villar : > I'm not advocating for wrong spelling, but I don't think hyphenation > is part of spelling, but of grammar/syntax. Wikipedia says that > "spelling is the writing of one or more words with letters and > diacritics" and hyphens are neither letters nor diacritics but i

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On 7/4/2011 12:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: OK, I think we have provided ample arguments for both sides. Only three of us have debated this point in the last few hours and I'd really like to hear other people's thoughts on this so that we can gauge if there's a consensus for whatever. I

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Anthony wrote: > > Still, it doesn't make sense that "some people incorrectly use > spaces > > instead of hyphens" implies that we should convert hyphens into > spaces > > (which then get converted into underscores).  If we're going t

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On 04/07/2011 17:14, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: OK, I think we have provided ample arguments for both sides. Only three of us have debated this point in the last few hours and I'd really like to hear other people's thoughts on this so that we can gauge if there's a consensus for whatever. Whate

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

2011/7/4 SomeoneElse : > On 04/07/2011 17:14, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> >> OK, I think we have provided ample arguments for both sides. Only >> three of us have debated this point in the last few hours and I'd >> really like to hear other people's thoughts on this so that we can >> gauge if the

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:59 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Eugene, I ask you to revert the automated edits you have done in the > past days concerning drive-throughs, e.g. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seav/edits?page=3 > > You obviously did not follow the > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w

Re: [Tagging] Prevoting: New_barrier_types

On 4 July 2011 21:06, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > +1 > > do you have a tagging suggesting? maybe barrier=road_stud ? What would > you call continuous ones like the one I  posted from street view? The generic term for all of them is lane divider. But that's also used for cat's eyes, pavement ma

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

On 7/4/2011 8:13 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:59 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Eugene, I ask you to revert the automated edits you have done in the past days concerning drive-throughs, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/seav/edits?page=3 You obviously did not f

Re: [Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

Eugene, you should also mark your ticket on the trac as invalid (or something else) because of this.http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3873 Don't want them to make a change to the rendering by accident. ;) -- James > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:13:40 +0800 > From: sea...@gmail.com > To: tagging@