Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation (was: Re: Differences in cycleways)

2011-01-11 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: In urban area, you could also use the type 'street' to link the cycle track and the highway. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
What do you think of a key: "civilization" ? This could be used to describe the people that built a certain feature (mostly historical intentions). Values could be: etruscan roman greek egyptian mayan ... I will make a proposal for this, if there is not already another tag in use. cheers, Martin

[Tagging] tagging world heritage (UNESCO) and other protected areas/features

2011-01-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Looking up the wiki there are several proposals for protected / listed features. 1. The oldest is this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/unesco_world_heritage suggesting historic=unesco_world_heritage actually I'd like to deprecate this because using the key historic will crea

Re: [Tagging] tagging world heritage (UNESCO) and other protected areas/features

2011-01-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/11 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > 2. > There is also this: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/heritage another issue I have with this: the use of the key "operator". IMHO an operator is someone who operates the site. In the case I'm currently tagging this is a government agenc

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation

2011-01-11 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 11.01.2011 04:26, schrieb Steve Bennett: On 11/01/2011 12:20 AM, Richard Mann wrote: I put adjacent=yes on the highway=cycleway, so the user of the cycleway=track tag on the main road can ignore ways with adjacent=yes on them. The user who'd prefer to use highway=cycleway ways doesn't know t

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation

2011-01-11 Thread Georg Feddern
Peter Wendorff schrieb: Am 11.01.2011 04:26, schrieb Steve Bennett: On 11/01/2011 12:20 AM, Richard Mann wrote: I put adjacent=yes on the highway=cycleway, so the user of the cycleway=track tag on the main road can ignore ways with adjacent=yes on them. The user who'd prefer to use highway=cyc

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation (was: Re: Differences in cycleways)

2011-01-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: >  On 11/01/2011 12:20 AM, Richard Mann wrote: >> >> The user who'd prefer to use highway=cycleway ways doesn't >> know that the cycleway=track is a duplicate, but routers only have to >> give a slight preference for highway=cycleway over cycle

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Re: Towing service?

2011-01-11 Thread john
Why not use both tags, with landuse=depot on the parking area and office=towing on the office? After all, most towing services will have both. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Re: Towing service? >From :mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date :Tue Jan 11 01:39:18 America/

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation

2011-01-11 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Georg Feddern wrote: > If the corresponding highway=*, cycleway=track is also tagged with the > adjacent-Tag, router and renderer can choose in general, which sort of way > they use - without any need for locating them. > > Like the "is_in", "adjacent" sounds horri

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation

2011-01-11 Thread Richard Mann
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Pieren wrote: > Like the "is_in", "adjacent" sounds horrible for spatial applications > working with spacial database where all elements already have spatial > coordinates. I agree for nodes and polygons. Ways next to other ways aren't so-easily capable of spatial

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - winter_road/ice_road

2011-01-11 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
Hello! Previous voting showed that a minor number of interested in this feature mappers disagree with the surface= tag. In respect to them, the proposal was redone, to use the following tagging scheme: winter_road=yes ice_road=yes A value of surface=ice_road is obsoleted. There were no

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation (was: Re: Differences in cycleways)

2011-01-11 Thread robert
It was also not my idea to use relations to combine different road objects to one road 'relation'. -Robert- Citeren Richard Mann : On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:  On 11/01/2011 12:20 AM, Richard Mann wrote: The user who'd prefer to use highway=cycleway ways doesn

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - winter_road/ice_road

2011-01-11 Thread robert
Sorry, but I read this too late. Key=yes/no sounds horrible to me all the way. In this case in fact you put something that intends to be a value into a key. This not natural. Surface=* was acceptable to me. IMHO you also can describe the impassability by mentioning the months in wich the road

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - winter_road/ice_road

2011-01-11 Thread Gleb Smirnoff
Robert, On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 04:08:21PM +0100, rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: r> Sorry, but I read this too late. Sorry, you did. I won't run this through a third month Draft/RFC/Voting cycle. :( r> Key=yes/no sounds horrible to me all the way. r> In this case in fact you put something that i

Re: [Tagging] tagging world heritage (UNESCO) and other protected areas/features

2011-01-11 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 11/01/2011 13:34, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer a écrit : Looking up the wiki there are several proposals for protected / listed features. 1. The oldest is this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/unesco_world_heritage suggesting historic=unesco_world_heritage actually I'd like to de

Re: [Tagging] tagging world heritage (UNESCO) and other protected areas/features

2011-01-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/11 Vincent Pottier : > But the heritage tag may be applied also to a node, to a way... not with > boundaries This is true. We could use the other tags still, without the boundary-way. In the end all objects will be bigger then just a point, so I'd expect from a detailed mapping to have are

Re: [Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread Sean Horgan
Sounds like a good idea. Could you list an example with tags? On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 04:01, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > What do you think of a key: "civilization" ? This could be used to > describe the people that built a certain feature (mostly historical > intentions). > Values could be: > >

Re: [Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread Johan Jönsson
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer writes: > > What do you think of a key: "civilization" ? This could be used to > describe the people that built a certain feature > (mostly historical intentions). > Values could be: > > etruscan > roman > greek > egyptian > mayan > ... > > cheers, > Martin Good idea! Maybe

Re: [Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread John F. Eldredge
Perhaps one could have separate tags for civilization and era. After all, many of these civilizations overlapped to some degree, timewise, while being in different parts of the world. In some cases, the different civilizations traded with each other (for example, the Roman and Chinese civiliza

Re: [Tagging] tagging world heritage (UNESCO) and other protected areas/features

2011-01-11 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 17:00:25 +0100 Vincent Pottier wrote: > > The page suggests to use abbreviations as values, which is not > > according to our general tagging rules (and IMHO pointless, why not > > use the full word and get a more understandable mapping?). But there > > are some useful ideas f

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - winter_road/ice_road

2011-01-11 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 18:22:41 +0300 Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > After a lot of discussions, majority of Russian mappers decided to > ignore the tracktype/trackgrade tags for now. The road condition is > very dependant on weather and ones chances to drive it strongly > depend on vehicle that is going to

Re: [Tagging] Proposed Feature - 2nd RFC - Public Transport

2011-01-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/11 Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) : > Please visit again > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport thank you for the work on this. I have just 2 small comment on this: "A station is an area dedicated to and particularly designed for passenger access to Public Transpor

Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Re: Towing service?

2011-01-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/11 : > Why not use both tags, with landuse=depot on the parking area and > office=towing on the office?  After all, most towing services will have both. +1, depending on the size. In the case they have 1 truck, depot seems too much, maybe tagging them garage would be better then? cheers

Re: [Tagging] Equivalence relation

2011-01-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/11 Richard Mann : > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Pieren wrote: >> Like the "is_in", "adjacent" sounds horrible for spatial applications >> working with spacial database where all elements already have spatial >> coordinates. > > I agree for nodes and polygons. Ways next to other ways ar

Re: [Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/11 John F. Eldredge : > Perhaps one could have separate tags for civilization and era.  After all, > many of these civilizations overlapped to some degree, timewise, while being > in different parts of the world.  In some cases, the different civilizations > traded with each other (for ex

[Tagging] Semantic Publications at ESWC

2011-01-11 Thread Alexander Garcia Castro
1st International Workshop on Semantic Publication (SePublica 2011) http://sepublica.mywikipaper.org at the 8th Extended Semantic Web Conference (ESWC 2011) http://www.eswc2011.org May 29th or 30th, Hersonissos, Crete, Greece Keynote by Steve Pettifer, Manchester University, UK. “Utopia Documents a

Re: [Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread Daniel Sabo
For clarity, could these be subtags of historic? e.g. historic=ruins historic:civilization=roman historic:period=aurelia That way we can have more descriptive tags without worrying about conflicts with non-historic meanings. On Jan 11, 2011, at 4:35 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/1/11 Jo

Re: [Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread john
Having civilization as a subkey to historic is a good suggestion. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] new key civilization From :mailto:daniels...@gmail.com Date :Tue Jan 11 19:35:13 America/Chicago 2011 For clarity, could these be subtags of historic? e.g. historic=ruins histo

Re: [Tagging] Semantic Publications at ESWC

2011-01-11 Thread Matthias Meißer
Dear Alexander, I'm not sure if this is the right media to motivate semantic OSM focused scientists for a publication. If you have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Research you can get a few contacts, that are related to RDF and OSM. regards Matthias _

Re: [Tagging] new key civilization

2011-01-11 Thread robert
+1 This is a nice and very clear solution. I like subtags more and more. It's a kind of Advanced Tagging. -Robert- Citeren Daniel Sabo : For clarity, could these be subtags of historic? e.g. historic=ruins historic:civilization=roman historic:period=aurelia That way we can have more descript