Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Ok, great. If that is the ultimate solution for all cycletracks. Can you help me with the remaining problems? How do I tell OSM that the highway=cycleway is part of the highway=*? Relation? Do I have to tell OSM that bicyles are not welcome on the highway=* when there is a highway=cycleway nex

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/9 Stephen Hope : > I'm starting to be convinced that there is a cultural disconnect with > the word craft. To me (and I suspect most English speakers) there has > to almost be an arts aspect  for something to be a craft. Whereas I'm > starting to get the impression the German use is closer t

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 20:54, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > As it doesn't actually matter which words for tags we use, as long as > their use is generally agreed (see highway for instance), I could go > on with craft in the way it is currently defined. It shouldn't matter, however using craft=* is like

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 09.01.2011 11:37, schrieb Robert Elsenaar: Ok, great. If that is the ultimate solution for all cycletracks. Can you help me with the remaining problems? [...] Do I have to tell OSM that bicyles are not welcome on the highway=* when there is a highway=cycleway next to it? If bicycles are lega

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-09 Thread ael
On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 09:00:16PM +1000, John Smith wrote: > It shouldn't matter, however using craft=* is likely to really confuse > native english speakers as others have pointed out craft is something > really different to a trade and expectations of that will cause people > to either complain

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Steve Bennett wrote: > Sorry, I don't follow. There should be a place=town node that is part of > the boundary=town way? How could the centre of the town be on its boundary? > > But anyway, I'm specifically asking about boundary=town ways, and > place=town ways. Should a town have both a place=

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Richard Mann
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:08 AM, wrote: > Does this mean that, should someone else add the cycleway to the map at a > later time, the cycleway=track tag should be removed from the motor-vehicle > road? No. As I said earlier in this discussion, even when there are highway=cycleway ways, I leave

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: > a node (place=town or village, depending on population size) > > a relation (type=boundary + boundary=administrative + admin_level=8) > The relation has members : > outer/inner composed with ways that define the boundary (a closed way

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Georg Feddern
Steve Bennett schrieb: Although...that just raises a different question: what's the difference between a town mapped out as an area (place=town) and a town mapped with a boundary=administrative, admin_level=8 (plus relation). I guess there is no difference, just two different ways of expressing

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Steve Bennett wrote: > > a node (place=town or village, depending on population size) > > > > a relation (type=boundary + boundary=administrative + admin_level=8) > > The relation has members : > > outer/inner composed with ways that define the boundary (a closed way > > defining an area) > > and

[Tagging] outdoor nature bath

2011-01-09 Thread Johan Jönsson
I have been thinking on how to tag an places where one can go to take a bath. In the summer there are designated areas at the sea, lakes and rivers to bath at. Some organized and some simply a natural good spot for a bath. In the winter there are indoor or heated pools of different kind. And old-s

Re: [Tagging] outdoor nature bath

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Johan Jönsson wrote: > Some just simply add sport=swimming to an appropriate physical tag: > camping_site, beach, lake, river, park, pier outdoors and building, > sports_centre indoors. I can't comment on the rest, but sport=swimming is incorrect unless the area i

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Robert Elsenaar
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Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Richard Mann < richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com> wrote: > No. As I said earlier in this discussion, even when there are > highway=cycleway ways, I leave the cycleway=track tag in place on the > road (and indeed add it if it isn't already there), so that both > tagg

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Richard Mann
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Pieren wrote: > It's not "tagging for the renderers" but close. And you may confuse routing > applications. When I meet such (very seldom) double tagging, I always > clean-up the most undetailled or obsolete version. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_t

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Richard Mann wrote: > No. As I said earlier in this discussion, even when there are > highway=cycleway ways, I leave the cycleway=track tag in place on the > road (and indeed add it if it isn't already there), so that both > tagging styles are available for data use

Re: [Tagging] outdoor nature bath

2011-01-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:48:32 +0100 (CET) Johan Jönsson wrote: > How about one tag for all of these places: > > leisure=bath > > With a bathing person as a symbol: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1_9_2_24.svg To "bathe" and to "have a bath" are to close in English, and it has caugh

Re: [Tagging] outdoor nature bath

2011-01-09 Thread Johan Jönsson
Elizabeth Dodd writes: > > On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 15:48:32 +0100 (CET) > Johan Jönsson goteborg.cc> wrote: > > > How about one tag for all of these places: > > > > leisure=bath > > > > With a bathing person as a symbol: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1_9_2_24.svg > > To "bathe"

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: > boundary=town is not documented (and not used) and must not been used > (IMHO), because admin_level=8 is widespread. > > According to taginfo.openstreetmap.de : > > admin_level=8 >        96 502 relations >        290 837 ways >      

Re: [Tagging] outdoor nature bath

2011-01-09 Thread Steve Bennett
2011/1/10 Johan Jönsson : > > My thoughts have been on a physical tag like leisure=bathing_area, > leisure=public_bath or just simply leisure=bath. The later one would be a tag > for all kind of bathing facilities, both outdoor and indoor. Maybe the noun > "bath" isn´t a good one, it might imply so

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Dave F.
On 09/01/2011 12:11, Pierre-Alain Dorange wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Sorry, I don't follow. There should be a place=town node that is part of the boundary=town way? How could the centre of the town be on its boundary? But anyway, I'm specifically asking about boundary=town ways, and place=to

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Dave F. wrote: > Why would you have 'inners' for a town boundary? I would have thought that > everything within that boundary would be considered part of that town. In many US states cities can annex properties one at a time, and an exclave may form where they have

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On 01/07/2011 08:55 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Paul Johnson > wrote: >> On 01/04/2011 08:46 AM, Anthony wrote: >>> Your statement that bicycles are prohibited from driving on sidewalks >>> in "all states" is not correct. Florida statutes explicitly state: >>> "A person

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 January 2011 09:29, Steve Bennett wrote: > Ah, that's very interesting - I didn't think of that. Australian towns > tend to be very far apart, so the boundary of two *towns* rarely meet. > (Other administrative boundaries, "shires", do...) There are suburb boundaries gazetted for most of Au

Re: [Tagging] outdoor nature bath

2011-01-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 January 2011 01:42, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I can't comment on the rest, but sport=swimming is incorrect unless > the area is for competitive swimming. -1 Swimming pools don't have to be for competitive swimming, eg kiddy pools, but they aren't for bathing in either. ___

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Pierre-Alain Dorange
Steve Bennett wrote: > > According to taginfo.openstreetmap.de : > > > > admin_level=8 > >96 502 relations > >290 837 ways > >13 665 nodes (!?) > > boundary=village30 > > boundary=city_limit 53 > > boundary=hamlet 37 > > boundary=town 0 > > Actually boundary

Re: [Tagging] outdoor nature bath

2011-01-09 Thread Johan Jönsson
--- Steve Bennett skrev: > 2011/1/10 Johan Jönsson : > > > > My thoughts have been on a physical tag like leisure=bathing_area, > > leisure=public_bath or just simply leisure=bath. The later one would > be a tag > > for all kind of bathing facilities, both outdoor and indoor. Maybe the > noun > >

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-09 Thread Andrew S. J. Sawyer
Inner relations for municipalities are indeed needed. One example of "inner" holes of cities within a city is Chicago, Illinois. Norridge and Harwood Heights are townships of Cook County, Illinois. They are completely surrounded by the city of Chicago but don't belong to one another. I believe many