Re: [Tagging] Aqueducts?

2011-01-07 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:18:12 +1100 Steve Bennett wrote: > How is one supposed to tag > an irrigation channel? as I live in an irrigation area, with thousands of channels and drains, I put it in the 'too hard' basket and have mapped the main canals only _

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:50 AM, John Smith wrote: > > What about shop=service > > Errg, no. All shops provide a kind of "service"... Don't forget the key "office" if it is not really a shop: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office Pieren ___ Taggi

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 19:25, Pieren wrote: > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:50 AM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> What about shop=service >> > > Errg, no. All shops provide a kind of "service"... > Don't forget the key "office" if it is not really a shop: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:office This wo

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 07.01.2011 03:26, schrieb Alan Mintz: I can't find a tag for the base of operations of a towing service - i.e. you call them to tow your broken car or truck to a repair shop. The basic definition would be a service that tows cars and other "light" vehicles. Truck and other heavy vehicle towing

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 20:19, Ulf Lamping wrote: > For me, a shop would be to get in, buy something (or at least get some > service done) and go out. That's not the case here. A towing service will > get to your place to do something, much like the office of a plumber (which > in most cases also wouldn

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 January 2011 20:26, John Smith wrote: > On 7 January 2011 20:19, Ulf Lamping wrote: >> For me, a shop would be to get in, buy something (or at least get some >> service done) and go out. That's not the case here. A towing service will >> get to your place to do something, much like the offic

[Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Rodolphe Quiedeville
Hi, I began a process to define a new key for carpooling that you can found at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Carpool After some discussion my vision was modified and now I think that something like carpool=designated could be better, but before modify the proposal I need so

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
The meaning and use of "designated" is confused and highly contested in OSM, so I'd avoid using it for any other purpose. I'd have said "carpool" ought to be a distinct value, not a key, if you've got exclusive parking. Something like: amenity=parking+access=carpool Richard On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 a

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Rodolphe Quiedeville
Le 07/01/2011 15:01, Richard Mann a écrit : > The meaning and use of "designated" is confused and highly contested > in OSM, so I'd avoid using it for any other purpose. Thanks for that point. > I'd have said "carpool" ought to be a distinct value, not a key, if > you've got exclusive parking. So

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread john
I suspect that I am not the only one who has been confused by the totally-unrelated meanings of highway=track (a minor, rural road) and cycleway=track (a cycleway along side an automobile road). I don't know which one came first, but it is unfortunate that the naming scheme wasn't more consist

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-07 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 06.01.2011 23:47, schrieb Simone Saviolo: Think of the "Windows Vista Ready" (pfft!) certification: it didn't mean that that software/device was of better quality than another one without the certification, but if you were planning to use it with Vista then it had better characteristics than

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rodolphe Quiedeville wrote: > The problem is the acess is NOT exclusive, and I want to choose the > clearest key/value. It's easy to indicate what is exclusive but not so > easy to explain what is 'designated too' without restriction. > > What about carpool=welcome

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Rodolphe Quiedeville
Le 07/01/2011 15:41, Richard Mann a écrit : > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Rodolphe Quiedeville > wrote: >> The problem is the acess is NOT exclusive, and I want to choose the >> clearest key/value. It's easy to indicate what is exclusive but not so >> easy to explain what is 'designated too' w

Re: [Tagging] designated bike lane

2011-01-07 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On 01/04/2011 08:46 AM, Anthony wrote: >> Your statement that bicycles are prohibited from driving on sidewalks >> in "all states" is not correct.  Florida statutes explicitly state: >> "A person propelling a vehicle by human power upon and al

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > I suspect that I am not the only one who has been confused by the > totally-unrelated meanings of highway=track (a minor, rural road) and > cycleway=track (a cycleway along side an automobile road).  I don't know > which one came first, but it is unfort

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread john
So, people are encouraged to use the parking lot for carpool meetups, but access is not limited to only those carpooling, which would be the meaning of access=carpool. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word >From :mailto:rodol...@quiedeville.org Dat

Re: [Tagging] What is rtc_rate?

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Peter wrote: >> Ride the City >> http://www.ridethecity.com/ >> Maybe there is some explanation there. > You're right - I should have looked in the history. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39275890

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
Ah - now I understand it a bit better - you mean a pick-up location. More a kind of bus stop for carpoolers. On that model I'd probably go for highway=carpool on a node. Richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Richard Mann wrote: > Ah - now I understand it a bit better - you mean a pick-up location. > More a kind of bus stop for carpoolers. On that model I'd probably go > for highway=carpool on a node. Not really, since at least half the people arriving leave their cars

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Not really, since at least half the people arriving leave their cars > there (assuming everyone drives there). So it's a parking lot that's > designated for carpool use, but also available for general parking. > > I wonder if northern Virgi

Re: [Tagging] Signification of designated word

2011-01-07 Thread Rodolphe Quiedeville
Le 07/01/2011 16:05, Nathan Edgars II a écrit : > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Richard Mann > wrote: >> Ah - now I understand it a bit better - you mean a pick-up location. >> More a kind of bus stop for carpoolers. On that model I'd probably go >> for highway=carpool on a node. > > Not reall

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/6 Peter : > But browser vulnerabilities? Those usually get patched within the day, right? within the day they get public. ;-) There is a market for selling unknown security relevant bugs. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstre

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/6 RatZilla$ : > Hi all, > > I've set up a proposal for deaddrop. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/deaddrop This was discussed in the German Mailinglist http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-de@openstreetmap.org/msg77328.html with no ultimate conclusion, so feel free to ig

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/7 John Smith : > On 7 January 2011 20:19, Ulf Lamping wrote: >> For me, a shop would be to get in, buy something (or at least get some >> service done) and go out. That's not the case here. A towing service will >> get to your place to do something, much like the office of a plumber (which

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-07 Thread john
One thing to keep in mind, when considering using such dead-drop facilities, is that the technique was originally developed for use by spies. Anyone using such dead-drops may find themselves under arrest, on suspicion of being spies and/or terrorists. While you may well be able to persuade the

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
to illustrate the above, here is a stereotype Werkstatt: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Schreinerwerkstatt_Boos_Aulendorf.jpg&filetimestamp=20080408090153 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EWM_shop_2007.jpg and some stereotype Laden: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 January 2011 02:17, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > IMHO your proposal focuses too much on "electronic" deaddrops. Why not > see USD-Sticks as one of many possibilities and subtag them > accordingly (medium=pen_drive / paper / etc.)? Wouldn't this be a subtag of a general point of interest, sim

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 January 2011 02:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I guess this misunderstanding derives from German ;-) > In German there is a word "Laden (m.)" which is usually translated as > "shop", but the actual meaning is not as broad as shop in English. > Actually it only describes "retail shops". Ther

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - deaddrop

2011-01-07 Thread RatZilla$
Hi all, -- Pros / Cons -- There are many pros and cons for dead drops (DD to be short). My proposal is not about : "does DD good or not ?" but just about locate object of a growing urban data sharing project. There is a comment field on the website of the project, feel free to send your suggestion

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread john
I agree that shop=workshop, workshop= is a good solution to this issue. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Towing service? From :mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date :Fri Jan 07 11:29:53 America/Chicago 2011 On 8 January 2011 02:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I guess this

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/6 Simone Saviolo : > ...for example, in the last > few weeks on talk-it we exhumed once again the problem that an amenity=bar > is not really a "bar" as we conceive it in Italy. Sadly though, despite the > interesting debate, and notwithstanding the fact that both parties are > "quite right"

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/7 : > I agree that shop=workshop, workshop= is a good solution to this > issue. +1, it could be combined with craft to map the kind of workshop. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/

[Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread David Fawcett
I am curious how others would tag this way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48268491 This is a water feature that was imported as part of the NHD.  On this particular stretch, the water is routed underground through a tunnel to the lake. I tried to add tunnel=culvert, but I think that wat

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 01/06/2011 10:03 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > I suggested that some users with proven credentials be put in charge of > their own matter: for example, that one or more doctors in Civil > Engineering took care of the Civil Engineering course. I was told that > that's not how a wiki works and that

Re: [Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:25 PM, David Fawcett wrote: > I am curious how others would tag this way: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48268491 > > This is a water feature that was imported as part of the NHD. On this > particular stretch, the water is routed underground through a tunnel >

Re: [Tagging] Thoughts on how to replace or modify an exist/established tag (Was: Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate)

2011-01-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 01/06/2011 11:47 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > It's not an advantage "on the application side" in itself; it's more of > an advantage for the user. Say I'm a cyclist and I want a map: I'll > prefer one with CycleMap 4.3 over one with CycleMap 1.2 over one with no > CycleMap. If you plan to have

Re: [Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread David Fawcett
Would tunnel=yes be an inappropriate tag? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:25 PM, David Fawcett wrote: >> I am curious how others would tag this way: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/48268491 >> >> This is a water feature that was impor

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Ladies and gentlemen, All great thoughts. Peter i take your critisism on the right way. Still you didn't answer my call for help. Let go back to the base of my question: cycleway=track = Who can give me examples on Google street view of what we have to concider to be cycleway-tracks?

Re: [Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, David Fawcett wrote: > Would tunnel=yes be an inappropriate tag? I wouldn't think so. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, > > All great thoughts. Peter i take your critisism on the right way. > Still you didn't answer my call for help. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Your first example is a cycleway=track. If yo

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Are there other new examples out there? Mine was the first. Please give me more examples of cycleway=track, especially in other countries then the Netherlands. -Robert- -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nathan Edgars II Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:09 PM To: Tag discussion, strateg

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Mann
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Oxford,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.763179,-1.235468&spn=0,0.009602&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.763263,-1.235435&panoid=2D4TwRiiHwpu0OraA8vbPA&cbp=12,7.14,,0,5 Some people (not me particularly) might complain that your example has cycle tracks that are share

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread Surly_ru
> > I agree that shop=workshop, workshop= is a good solution to > > this issue. > +1, it could be combined with craft to map the kind of workshop. I think, "craft=*" (may be with "man_made=works") is sufficient. So "shop=workshop" is redundant, and we need no such tag combination. _

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 January 2011 08:33, Surly_ru wrote: >> > I agree that shop=workshop, workshop= is a good solution to >> > this issue. > >> +1, it could be combined with craft to map the kind of workshop. > > I think, "craft=*" (may be with "man_made=works") is sufficient. So > "shop=workshop" is redundant, a

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/7 John Smith : > A tow truck driver doesn't need much more than a special license, I > don't think this is a craft at all. he probably doesn't need a workshop either. I guess he will have an office and a garage for his car, that cars he tows will typically be put to a depot. Cheers, Marti

Re: [Tagging] Underground Waterways

2011-01-07 Thread Willi
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, David Fawcett wrote: > Would tunnel=yes be an inappropriate tag? Yes, according to the Wiki: "The tunnel tag is used to map ways that runs through an underground passage. You just need to add tunnel=yes where you like to have a tunnel on the section of highway (