Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Willi
On 19. November 2010 13:40 Andrew Errington [a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk] wrote: > I wish to tag an island with its name. Except that the name refers to a > group of islands, and each of these islands have their own name. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.24164&lon=131.86871&zoom=16&layers=

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Willi wrote: >> 2) If the answer is 'use a relation', have I done it properly, and if so, >> why isn't Mapnik rendering the name properly? > 2) If and how a feature is rendered is up to the renderer. The mapper can't > and imho shouldn't try to control this. > >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-19 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Mike N. wrote: >> I don't know if it's legal to park here and walk around the gate into >> the park, but assume for the sake of argument that it is. How do we >> tell the router to instead use the main entrance to the south? > >  In this case, the way in the photo

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Georg Feddern
Erik Johansson schrieb: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Willi wrote: 2) If the answer is 'use a relation', have I done it properly, and if so, why isn't Mapnik rendering the name properly? 2) If and how a feature is rendered is up to the renderer. The mapper can't and imho sho

[Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
what are people doing for this? the truck oriented access tags in the wiki are oriented towards UK legal categories whereas i'm basically looking at a simple sign that says "no trucks". the wiki would have me use goods=no hgv=no whereas truck=no seems like a logical extension of the current ac

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread SomeoneElse
It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does "truck" have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series count? What something like an El Camino? Cheers, Andy * Westminster Council via Goo

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 8:27 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does "truck" have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series count? What something like an El Camino? th

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread SomeoneElse
On 19/11/2010 13:40, Richard Welty wrote: On 11/19/10 8:27 AM, SomeoneElse wrote: It might seem a silly question, but what's a truck? You're correct that HGV in the UK has a specific legal meaning*, but does "truck" have one in the US? If it doesn't, would something like a Ford F-series coun

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Erik Johansson : >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.85594&mlon=-89.9528&zoom=15&layers=M > > > Hum... > > Should private access roads really render as ordinary roads in zoom 14 > and less? Bug in mapnik? I think you are right. It would probably better not to display them at all i

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Nathan Edgars II : > Probably use a multipolygon with place=island. -1. I agree for the multipolygon but I wouldn't put place=island, because IMHO that would mean that there is one island where in this example in the real world there are actually two. I would simply put the name in the

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > what are people doing for this? the truck oriented access tags in the > wiki are oriented towards UK legal categories whereas i'm basically > looking at a simple sign that says "no trucks". the wiki would have > me use Another problem is tha

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/11/19 Nathan Edgars II : >> Probably use a multipolygon with place=island. +1 place=island is used to identify noteworthy places that are isolated enough to justify a label at a low zoom. Unfortunately, people started applying it

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Richard Mann : > place=island is used to identify noteworthy places that are isolated > enough to justify a label at a low zoom. ...So it would be wrong to apply it > to a single island in a group... I don't know where you get this impression from (especially that place=island is used

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Mann
HGV = Heavy Goods Vehicle. It seems to be broadly identical (give or take a couple of tons/tonnes) with a US "truck" so hgv=destination (or hgv=no) would seem to be correct Feel free to add a note on the wiki that hgv is en-gb for "truck" Or feel free to use truck=destination (or truck=no), and

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Mann
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:30 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/11/19 Richard Mann : > "An island is any piece of land that is completely surrounded by water > and isolated from other significant landmasses." That definition is correct - for single islands. "piece" should probably be changed t

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 SomeoneElse : > From memory in the Western US I've seen "no trucks" and then in smaller > writing "over 6 tons" or similar.  Some kind of note about what the local > rules are likely to be (or something explicit, if it's explicit).  I'm sure > other people can suggest how they'd tag max

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Richard Mann : > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:30 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2010/11/19 Richard Mann : >> "An island is any piece of land that is completely surrounded by water >> and isolated from other significant landmasses." > > That definition is correct - for single islands.

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Richard Mann wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:30 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> 2010/11/19 Richard Mann : >> "An island is any piece of land that is completely surrounded by water >> and isolated from other significant landmasses." > > That definition is co

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Nathan Edgars II : >> That definition is correct - for single islands. "piece" should >> probably be changed to "piece (or group of pieces)" to make it work >> for archipelagos, and fit with the general intention of the key (to >> determine what priority should be given to labels) > >

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > The hgv-class is defined for vehicles over 3.5 t, if your legislation > has different weight limits I'd suggest to introduce a different > value/key and document that on the access-page in the wiki. > > No, why ? If the min/max weigh

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 19 Nov 2010, at 8:58 , Pieren wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > The hgv-class is defined for vehicles over 3.5 t, if your legislation > has different weight limits I'd suggest to introduce a different > value/key and document that on the access-page

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread john
I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roads forbidden to trucks over a certain length, or forbidding trucks with tandem trailers, because the road in question doesn't have room for a vehicle that size to turn

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/19/2010 07:40 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > also truck prohibitions are not > intended to prevent > lawn services, delivery services (UPS, Fedex, the guy with the new > refrigerator) and > the like from carrying out normal business. This is true only if the "Except Local Deliveries" or similar

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/19 Pieren : >> The hgv-class is defined for vehicles over 3.5 t, if your legislation >> has different weight limits I'd suggest to introduce a different >> value/key and document that on the access-page in the wiki. >> > > No, why ? If the min/max weight is different, then improve the "Heav

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 1:25 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roads forbidden to trucks over a certain length, or forbidding trucks with tandem trailers, because the road in question

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/19/10 2:47 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 11/19/2010 07:40 AM, Richard Welty wrote: also truck prohibitions are not intended to prevent lawn services, delivery services (UPS, Fedex, the guy with the new refrigerator) and the like from carrying out normal business. This is true only if the "Ex

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 11/19/10 1:25 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: >> >> I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight >> limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roads forbidden to >> trucks over a certain length, or forbi

Re: [Tagging] tagging no truck access in US

2010-11-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 11/19/2010 06:20 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Richard Welty > wrote: >> On 11/19/10 1:25 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: >>> >>> I agree that it makes more sense to have a separate tag for the weight >>> limit. I would also not be surprised to find certain roa