[Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I know we already talked about this, but actually no actions followed ;-) What is the current feeling for a new key "landcover"? Could resolve many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual "use" and "coverage". Seems like there is already landcover=tree in the database: http://taginfo.opens

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:09 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I know we already talked about this, but actually no actions followed ;-) > > What is the current feeling for a new key "landcover"? Could resolve > many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual "use" and > "coverage". I like it.

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:09 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > I know we already talked about this, but actually no actions followed ;-) > > > > What is the current feeling for a new key "landcover"? Could resolve > > many issues, as of

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > In general, I like the idea. But I don't think the agricultural tags should > be changed from landuse--they describe how the land is used. For example, > forest describes what covers the land (trees), while orchard describes what > those tr

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Brad Neuhauser > wrote: >> In general, I like the idea. But I don't think the agricultural tags should >> be changed from landuse--they describe how the land is used. For example, >> forest describes what

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Colin Smale
Could this not be collapsed into with "surface=*"? If not, what would be the relationship/difference between "surface" and "landcover"? On 07/10/2010 19:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I know we already talked about this, but actually no actions followed ;-) What is the current feeling for a n

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > Could this not be collapsed into with "surface=*"? If not, what would be > the relationship/difference between "surface" and

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > Not everything in a national forest is covered by trees, yet the > standard way of tagging one is landuse=forest on an area. > > some tag it like this but this is entirely wrong. National forest defines the ownership but has nothing to d

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Tobias Knerr
Brad Neuhauser wrote: > I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently > used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. There's nothing to limit it to roads - it "describes the surface of a feature". For example, the natural=beach wiki page recommends it for beaches, too.

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Dave F.
On 07/10/2010 19:56, Tobias Knerr wrote: Brad Neuhauser wrote: I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. There's nothing to limit it to roads - it "describes the surface of a feature". For example, the natural=beach wi

Re: [Tagging] SchemaTroll 2.01 - OSM OpenMapFeatures Spreadsheet - Available for edits

2010-10-07 Thread Sean Horgan
Hi Sam, Seems like some great work. I'm relatively new to contributing to OSM so pardon what may be some ignorant questions that I have. 1. How does the spreadsheet fit in with the current process of managing Map Features (RFC Draft, Proposal, Vote, etc)? 2. How will new users to OSM find this

Re: [Tagging] [OSM Fork] Re: SchemaTroll 2.01 - OSM OpenMapFeatures Spreadsheet - Available for edits

2010-10-07 Thread Sam Vekemans
cool thanks :) I guess it makes the most sence for me to update the wiki page, i'll try my best to answer you questions to make it easier for others who see the page, and might have the same questions. I'll aim to get it done by 1 weeks tim cheers, sam On 10/7/10, Sean Horgan wrote: > Hi Sam,

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Nathan Edgars II > wrote: >> >> Not everything in a national forest is covered by trees, yet the >> standard way of tagging one is landuse=forest on an area. > > some tag it like this but this is entirel

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Brad Neuhauser wrote: > > I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently > > used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. > > There's nothing to limit it to roads - it "describes the surface of a > feature". For examp

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 10/07/2010 10:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > That's why it's landuse=forest, not landcover=forest. A > landuse=residential area isn't all houses (it includes yards, That's why it is not landuse=house. A landuse=residential contains all things that belong to a typical residential area, like b

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ralf Kleineisel wrote: > I know that legally a field may belong to a national forest, but it > shouldn't be tagged as a forest because it isn't one. It is a part of a managed forest. > Every topographic > or street map I know would show a border of a national fores

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > > That's why it's landuse=forest, not landcover=forest. A > landuse=residential area isn't all houses (it includes yards, > driveways, garages, streets, sidewalks) and a landuse=forest area > isn't all trees. > > still it isn't at all a

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> That's why it's landuse=forest, not landcover=forest. A >> landuse=residential area isn't all houses (it includes yards, >> driveways, garages, streets, sidewalks) and a landuse

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Stephen Hope
On 8 October 2010 03:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > What is the current feeling for a new key "landcover"? Could resolve > many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual "use" and > "coverage". As long as it is made clear that not all landuse= tags are actually landuse (or would we move

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 08.10.2010 00:05, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > still it isn't at all a forest. landuse forest is a documented tag for > forests and forests means an area with trees. > all the other areas you will find in a national forest have well defined > tags natural/landuse=wood,glacier,heat,meadow,shrub

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 08.10.2010 07:17, Stephen Hope wrote: > On 8 October 2010 03:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> What is the current feeling for a new key "landcover"? Could resolve >> many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual "use" and >> "coverage". > > > As long as it is made clear that not all l

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 07.10.2010 23:22, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ralf Kleineisel wrote: >> of border line, but the areas where trees grow as forest. So the >> national park should be tagged as boundary=national_park or similiar. > It's not a national park, but a national forest. I'