John Smith wrote:
> On 29 July 2010 16:27, Simon Biber wrote:
> > It seems the emergency phones used to render on Mapnik but now they don't.
> > Should we re-open the original trac ticket (link below) or submit a new one
>to
> > get the new tagging rendered?
>
> Do you know if there was a part
On 29 July 2010 18:10, Simon Biber wrote:
> I was suggesting that if we have decided that these things in future will be
> tagged as emergency=phone, then the renderer style sheet should be modified
> so
> that emergency=phone will show the icon that it currently does for
> amenity=emergency_ph
On Thu, 29 July, 2010 at 5:45:47 PM, John Smith
wrote:
> Hmm I wasn't aware that amenity=emergency_phone renders already, I'll
> revert my changeset.
Thanks for that. I fully support the change to emergency=phone but reverting
seems appropriate until we have the renderer support behind the mov
Am 29.07.2010 10:15, schrieb John Smith:
> On 29 July 2010 18:10, Simon Biber wrote:
>> I was suggesting that if we have decided that these things in future will be
>> tagged as emergency=phone, then the renderer style sheet should be modified
>> so
>> that emergency=phone will show the icon th
On 29 July 2010 18:34, Simon Biber wrote:
> Thanks for that. I fully support the change to emergency=phone but reverting
> seems appropriate until we have the renderer support behind the move.
>
> I also think that amenity=police should change to emergency=police_station
> and amenity=fire_sta
> Actually we could do both, we could add emergency=* tags to existing
> POIs without any problems as far as I know, and in future remove the
> old amenity tag.
I think this is a better option.
Just need to make sure that a date is set to remove the "old" amenity tags.
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On 29 July 2010 19:15, Ross Scanlon wrote:
> Just need to make sure that a date is set to remove the "old" amenity tags.
What would a reasonable time frame be?
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:19 AM, John Smith wrote:
>
> Others disagree strongly that there is even a point to voting, if
> there is a problem this usually shows during discussions.
>
>
>
We all agree that "voting" is not appropriate. Replace it by "opinion poll".
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On 29 July 2010 19:45, Pieren wrote:
> We all agree that "voting" is not appropriate. Replace it by "opinion poll".
What about general agreement on the mailing list?
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> On 29 July 2010 19:15, Ross Scanlon wrote:
> > Just need to make sure that a date is set to remove the "old" amenity tags.
>
> What would a reasonable time frame be?
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 08:03:46PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 26 June 2010 19:24, ael wrote:
> > What about trade? In uk "selling to the trade" implies an outlet which
> > sells to professionals but also does ordinary retail. Admittedly this
> > tends to be used in advertising to attempt to imp
On 29 July 2010 20:48, ael wrote:
> I had hoped that something better would occur to me or someone else.
> But yes, it seems as good as anything else, so let's go with it.
Someone had made shop=wood, but that didn't seem as good as your suggestion...
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On 29 July 2010 16:18, ael wrote:
>> > shop = trade
>> > trade=building_supplies|timber_yard|agricultural_supplies|plastics|...
I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
Is there a restrictions on 'keys' can't there be a key called 'trade'
?
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I've posted a message in the newbies forum regarding my need. Those who
responded suggested me to send the discussion to the tagging group. So,
here I am.
My need is to give cyclists more info when preparing their rides on road
that are not cycleway (nor NCN, RCN, LCN). I saw the tag "rtc_rate"
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM, pavithran wrote:
> I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
> Is there a restrictions on 'keys' can't there be a key called 'trade'
The benefit of shop=* is that renderers can use a generic shop icon.
My suggestion:
shop=trade_suppli
Am 29.07.2010 14:38, schrieb Daniel Tremblay:
> My need is to give cyclists more info when preparing their rides on road
> that are not cycleway (nor NCN, RCN, LCN). I saw the tag "rtc_rate" but
> not find it very intuitive.
We need this kind of tags also for cycleways. I know many areas where th
Daniel
cycleway=shoulder looks like a good idea for those countries that
routinely have a wide shoulder on country roads (I've seen them in
Ireland; they aren't common in the UK)
on urban roads (maybe even rural roads with centre lines), you could
do cycleway=tight/critical/spacious, following th
On 29 July 2010 20:21, Ross Scanlon wrote:
> 1st October 2010
>
> Gives time to get the rendering resolved.
Does anyone have a problem, or see any problems, shifting the
following tags into the emergency=* tag space?
amenity=police -> emergency=police_station
amenity=hospital -> emergency=hospit
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Date :Thu Jul 29 11:29:46 America/Chicago 2010
On 29 July 2010 20:21, Ross Scanlon wrote:
> 1st October 2010
>
> Gives time to get the rendering resolved.
Do
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:29 PM, John Smith wrote:
>
> amenity=police -> emergency=police_station
> amenity=hospital -> emergency=hospital
> amenity=fire_station -> emergency=fire_station
>
>
>
I don't see what hospital is doing here. An hospital may or may not have an
emergency department/room. I
John Smith wrote:
On 29 July 2010 20:21, Ross Scanlon wrote:
1st October 2010
Gives time to get the rendering resolved.
Does anyone have a problem, or see any problems, shifting the
following tags into the emergency=* tag space?
amenity=police -> emergency=police_station
amenity=hos
On 30 July 2010 02:59, Chris Hill wrote:
> Firstly, not all hospitals are emergency hospitals, so I think that is a bad
> idea.
Point taken...
> Secondly John, you seem to have unilaterally decided to make this change,
> and actually implemented some of it in the course of an afternoon. Where di
John Smith wrote:
On 30 July 2010 02:59, Chris Hill wrote:
Firstly, not all hospitals are emergency hospitals, so I think that is a bad
idea.
Point taken...
Secondly John, you seem to have unilaterally decided to make this change,
and actually implemented some of it in the course
On 30 July 2010 03:35, Chris Hill wrote:
> You have already changed amenity=ambulance_station to
> emergency=ambulance_station, which was not listed above, so you have already
> started to make these worldwide changes.
It wasn't documented at all on the wiki, at all, so if it was so
important why
>> Discussing this for a day on the Tagging list is not enough for you to make
>> this change.
>
> How much time should it take? I didn't really set a dead line but was
> trying to get comments on the idea...
A change that breaks every editor / renderer / search & data user ?
6 months minimum bef
On 30 July 2010 04:09, Ian Dees wrote:
> I don't understand this argument. Doesn't every tag change anywhere "break
> every editor/renderer/search/data user" whether or not you think it is
> correct?
It's slightly amusing how it comes up every now and then about what to
do about depreciating tags
John Smith wrote:
> Does anyone have a problem, or see any problems, shifting the
> following tags into the emergency=* tag space?
>
> amenity=police -> emergency=police_station
> amenity=hospital -> emergency=hospital
> amenity=fire_station -> emergency=fire_station
Yes, I have a problem with it
On 30 July 2010 04:36, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> Yes, I have a problem with it: I don't see any advantage of having to
> remember both the key and the value used for an object type. Just leave
The advantage is you can do a generic emergency icon and have that
render for anything that doesn't have a m
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Brian Quinion
> wrote:
>>
>> >> Discussing this for a day on the Tagging list is not enough for you to
>> >> make
>> >> this change.
>> >
>> > How much time should it take? I didn't really set a dead line but was
On 30 July 2010 04:54, Toby Murray wrote:
> If there IS a change for medical stuff, I would personally rather see
> the medical=* proposal be used.
At this stage it'd be nice to sort out the emergency=* issue before
trying to tackle anything else :)
I agree with Chris that it probably isn't a go
John Smith wrote:
> On 30 July 2010 04:36, Tobias Knerr wrote:
[...]
>> stuff like this in amenity, that way we just need to know the value to
>> tag it. "amenity" is the default key for features like this anyway.
>
> Which also means the amenity name space is pretty crammed full of
> disparate t
On 30 July 2010 05:16, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> It's true that choosing a common key "emergency" makes it easier if you
> want to treat police stations and hospitals the same way in an
> application. But if you want to treat doctors and hospitals the same
> way, then it's pretty useless.
Don't get m
2010/7/29 Pieren :
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 6:29 PM, John Smith
> wrote:
>>
>> amenity=police -> emergency=police_station
>> amenity=hospital -> emergency=hospital
>> amenity=fire_station -> emergency=fire_station
>>
>>
>
> I don't see what hospital is doing here. An hospital may or may not have
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Tobias Knerr wrote:
> There is no single appropriate categorization for all purposes.
> Therefore, categorization of features is a renderer decision and
> shouldn't be hardcoded into tagging.
So I propose a new Key "thing" and we can put everything under "thing".
Let's never w
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Daniel Tremblay wrote:
> So, if I come back to my little cyclist need, I wonder if I could simply put
> cycleway=shoulder. That would show that: there is a shoulder, it is large
> enough to accomodate cycling, cycling is authorized on this road, shoulder
> is not
Perhaps we need a factory_outlet tag? This is just a particular case of a
factory outlet. If the factory is tagged as a winery and the shop as a
factory outlet, the picture is complete.
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:29:46 +1000
John Smith wrote:
> > 1st October 2010
> >
> > Gives time to get the rendering resolved.
>
> Does anyone have a problem, or see any problems, shifting the
> following tags into the emergency=* tag space?
>
> amenity=police -> emergency=police_station
> amenity
On 7/29/10 6:45 PM, Steve Doerr wrote:
Perhaps we need a factory_outlet tag? This is just a particular case
of a factory outlet. If the factory is tagged as a winery and the shop
as a factory outlet, the picture is complete.
in the US, factory outlet is a term that has become much abused and
Yes, factory_outlet would be a good solution.
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Subject :Re: [Tagging] What do others call this?
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Date :Thu Jul 29 17:45:08 America/Chicago 2010
Perhaps we need a factory_outlet tag? This is just a particular case of a
factor
Hi
A few weeks ago, I posted the following question to talk-transit
(edited here slightly from the original post, based on the limited
feedback received there). Given the specialized focus of the problem,
I did not post it to the tagging listserv, but I had very limited
response to the qu
> Better yet - just don't change it. This sort of change just isn't
> worth the pain and hundreds of developer hours that could be better
> spent on moving the project forward. Yes - this sort of change might
> make the tag heirachy prettier - but not enough to justify the work.
Garbage.
It's n
On 30 July 2010 08:45, Steve Doerr wrote:
> Perhaps we need a factory_outlet tag? This is just a particular case of a
> factory outlet. If the factory is tagged as a winery and the shop as a
> factory outlet, the picture is complete.
Except as Richard pointed out, most factory outlets are no wher
On 30 July 2010 06:44, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
> I second this. Emergency namespace must have definitely essential
> things, but not all things. emergency=ambulance_station is definitely
> right, but not emergency=hospital. It rises interesting question
> though - I would suggest to tag emergency
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:56:51PM +1000, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM, pavithran wrote:
> > I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
> > Is there a restrictions on 'keys' can't there be a key called 'trade'
>
> The benefit of shop=* is that
On 7/30/10, ael wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:56:51PM +1000, Steve Bennett wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM, pavithran wrote:
>> > I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
>> > Is there a restrictions on 'keys' can't there be a key called 'trade'
>>
>>
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