[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread y...@o2.pl
Hello, I moved old orphanage draft to RFC, feel free to comment. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Orphanage Regards, Paweł Marynowski User:Yarl ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listin

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
2010/5/27 y...@o2.pl : > I moved old orphanage draft to RFC, feel free to comment. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Orphanage Can we use some other key instead of yet another amenity=*? In fact there is so many amenities we should perhaps think about splitting them off int

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread y...@o2.pl
2010/5/27 John Smith : > Can we use some other key instead of yet another amenity=*? > > In fact there is so many amenities we should perhaps think about > splitting them off into other categories... Sounds like a good idea. There is also another proposal: residental home (http://wiki.openstreetm

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread Jason Cunningham
I agree with Pawel. I'd prefer 'residential home' with residents=children I think use of the word Orphanage has nearly disapeared in the UK because the word means children have permanently lost their parents, but many of children in 'children's homes' may only be there for a short period while the

[Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-27 Thread sly (sylvain letuffe)
Here is another try for world wide standardisation of places in order to hopefully try to create a consistent database and not a renderer work around font label positionning system http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/world_wide_place_default_standardisation fake quote of the da

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/5/27 sly (sylvain letuffe) : > Here is another try for world wide standardisation of places in order to > hopefully try to create a consistent database and not a renderer work around > font label positionning system -1, if it's exclusively population-based. The risk is that the US have tenths

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread Pieren
2010/5/27 y...@o2.pl > 2010/5/27 John Smith : > > In fact there is so many amenities we should perhaps think about > > splitting them off into other categories... > > Sounds like a good idea. > > No. The amount of values should not influence the key. The question is more to know if we can conside

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-27 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > It's not a matter of getting the label to look cool. If you are > looking for objective data, then tag the population. The definition of > "city" and its differences from "town" varies from culture to culture, > and from country to country.

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisationonly based on population

2010-05-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
In the USA, the definition varies from state to state. For example, Tennessee (where I live) does not have an official definition of town vs. city, and every town or city is contained within a county. In Virginia, towns are contained within counties, and subordinate to them; cities are indepen

[Tagging] highway=services

2010-05-27 Thread Liz
rest area has been redirected to highway=services with a note to a Wikipedia entry. The wikipedia entry is huge and after much scrolling down the page it becomes quite obvious that "Rest Area" has many meanings on highways worldwide. While highway=services is well explained, redirecting other phr

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:28 AM, sly (sylvain letuffe) wrote: > > Here is another try for world wide standardisation of places in order to > hopefully try to create a consistent database I like your motivation. But maybe it's not necessary. Using population=* achieves the same goal. Consider th

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* sta ndardisation only based on population

2010-05-27 Thread Andrew
Roy Wallace writes: > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:28 AM, sly (sylvain letuffe) > wrote: > > > > Here is another try for world wide standardisation of places in order to > > hopefully try to create a consistent database > > I like your motivation. But maybe it's not necessary. Using > populati

Re: [Tagging] highway=services

2010-05-27 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2010-05-27 14:09, Liz wrote: >"Rest Area" signed on highways near me merely means that there is room to >pull >off the road and park. Next available facility is a bin for garbage, >sometimes >a picnic table, but it certainly does not mean highway=services. and restrooms. This describes the ty

Re: [Tagging] highway=services

2010-05-27 Thread Craig Wallace
On 27/05/2010 22:09, Liz wrote: > rest area has been redirected to highway=services with a note to a Wikipedia > entry. > The wikipedia entry is huge and after much scrolling down the page it becomes > quite obvious that "Rest Area" has many meanings on highways worldwide. > While highway=services

Re: [Tagging] highway=services

2010-05-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
In Tennessee, USA, where I live, the Interstates (motorways) both "parking areas" (no services other than a place to park temporarily) and "rest areas" (with parking, rest rooms, soft drink/candy machines, and frequently local tourist-information pamphlets. They may or may not have an attendant

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 01:10, Pieren wrote: > 2010/5/27 y...@o2.pl >> >> 2010/5/27 John Smith : >> > In fact there is so many amenities we should perhaps think about >> > splitting them off into other categories... >> >> Sounds like a good idea. >> > > No. The amount of values should not influence the ke

Re: [Tagging] highway=services

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 09:58, Craig Wallace wrote: > Some of them are also mapped with a short way tagged as highway=service > (not highway=services !), to connect it to the main road. highway=service is already used to indicate a type of road way, it'd be silly to use the same thing to mean different th

Re: [Tagging] highway=services

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 10:19, John F. Eldredge wrote: > In Tennessee, USA, where I live, the Interstates (motorways) both "parking > areas" (no services other than a place to park temporarily) and "rest areas" > (with parking, rest rooms, soft drink/candy machines, and frequently local > tourist-inform

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 01:30, Andre Engels wrote: > population-based. A region center in a non-urban area may be That just means we need place=regional_centre to render similar to place=city, currently places in Australia need this rendering, they may be small towns both in area and population but hold s

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Andrew wrote: >> >> I like your motivation. But maybe it's not necessary. Using >> population=* achieves the same goal. > > There are two serious flaws with using  population=*. The first is that you > have > to put in populations for absolutely everywhere; the no

Re: [Tagging] Proposed feature : World wide place=* standardisation only based on population

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 11:57, Roy Wallace wrote: > My point is not that we should necessarily even use population=*. My > point is that this proposal is redundant. There is no reason to use > place=* to indicate the population. IF you want to indicate the > population, use population=*. i.e. Tag what you

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Bennett
2010/5/27 y...@o2.pl : > Sounds like a good idea. > > There is also another proposal: residental home > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Residential_home) > with tagging amenity=residential_home + > residents=childen/veterans/disabled/etc. Maybe we should merge these > proposal

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread John Smith
On 28 May 2010 15:14, Steve Bennett wrote: > The benefit of two-tiered tags like this is renderers (and other > tools) only need to support "landuse=residential" to get something > that's approximately right. Yup, this is why sub-tagging is such a good idea, so even if you don't tag the most spec

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Orphanage

2010-05-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > How about: > landuse=residential > residential=childrens_home > > The benefit of two-tiered tags like this is renderers (and other > tools) only need to support "landuse=residential" to get something > that's approximately right. Right ide