Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

On 11.12.2017 01:25, Nick Bolten wrote: >> Unfortunately, this breaks the semantic relationship between sidewalks >> and the rest of the road ("this section of sidewalk belongs to that road >> section"). [...] > Absolutely, this is an open problem. However, there's no reason we can't > tag streets

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

On 11 December 2017 at 17:11, Tobias Knerr wrote: > What's needed is a direct relationship between one road segment and the > one or two sidewalk segments that belong to it. Grouping a large number > of segments that happen to share the same name does not help, no matter > whether it's done via na

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

On 11.12.2017 09:54, Selfish Seahorse wrote: > There's a simple solution: putting a name tag on the sidewalk, as a > sidewalk is a part of a road, like a separate carriageway. This does not solve the problem at all, as the network of streets and side-streets sharing the same name can be arbitraril

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

2017-12-11 9:54 GMT+01:00 Selfish Seahorse : > On 10 December 2017 at 21:19, Tobias Knerr wrote: > > Unfortunately, this breaks the semantic relationship between sidewalks > > and the rest of the road ("this section of sidewalk belongs to that road > > section"). Many applications do need that re

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

2017-12-11 1:25 GMT+01:00 Nick Bolten : > > Unfortunately, this breaks the semantic relationship between sidewalks > and the rest of the road ("this section of sidewalk belongs to that road > section"). Many applications do need that relationship, and it's pretty > much impossible to derive it aut

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

On 10 December 2017 at 21:19, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Unfortunately, this breaks the semantic relationship between sidewalks > and the rest of the road ("this section of sidewalk belongs to that road > section"). Many applications do need that relationship, and it's pretty > much impossible to deriv

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

On 11/12/2017 00:25, Nick Bolten wrote: ... Absolutely, this is an open problem. However, there's no reason we can't tag streets with `sidewalk=left/right/yes/no` to keep that question answerable, while putting the pedestrian network itself (and its details) on proper ways. In addition, the qu

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

> Unfortunately, this breaks the semantic relationship between sidewalks and the rest of the road ("this section of sidewalk belongs to that road section"). Many applications do need that relationship, and it's pretty much impossible to derive it automatically from separately mapped sidewalk ways.

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

sent from a phone > On 10. Dec 2017, at 18:47, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > When adding sidewalk=yes|left|right to a road, I often encounter situations > where wheelchairs can not use the sidewalk. Common causes: > lowered-kerb access missing > trees or lamp posts or traffic signal poles narrow

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

sent from a phone > On 10. Dec 2017, at 19:45, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Mapping as separate ways can cause many issues, the basic rendering issue > where streets already collide with buildings, plus where do I put the > crossings other than make them up? yes, but mapping them with attribu

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

Thanks, Tobias for pointing me to the sidewalk additional tagging. I missed that. This addresses my immediate need. Regarding the greater picture, I personally try to get away with not mapping separate sidewalks mainly because of the amount of work involved, whereas I do prefer the separate-way ap

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

On 10.12.2017 19:25, Nick Bolten wrote: > More or less, you describe sidewalks as `highway=footway` > `footway=sidewalk` Unfortunately, this breaks the semantic relationship between sidewalks and the rest of the road ("this section of sidewalk belongs to that road section"). Many applications do n

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

I opened a similar thread in october. The origining fact was a sidewalk having a stair, where the other sidewalk had a ramp. I was suggested to map the sidewalk as a separate object. Yours, José. El 10/12/2017 20:32, "Nick Bolten" escribió: > > the basic rendering issue where streets already col

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

> the basic rendering issue where streets already collide with buildings The renderer can always be updated to accommodate any issues with showing where sidewalks exist. This is a situation of having more information available for display, and how to organize it, which isn't a bad thing. For examp

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

On Sun, 2017-12-10 at 18:25 +, Nick Bolten wrote: > The downside of using `wheelchair=no` is that there are many > conditions that will prevent some, but not all, wheelchair users from > using the infrastructure. For example: some wheelchair users don't > care about curb ramp info at all becaus

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

The downside of using `wheelchair=no` is that there are many conditions that will prevent some, but not all, wheelchair users from using the infrastructure. For example: some wheelchair users don't care about curb ramp info at all because they're comfortable finding driveways and going in the stree

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

On 10/12/2017 17:55, Volker Schmidt wrote: * width:sidewalk= * width:sidewalk:left|right= taginfo suggests sidewalk:width is the more popular tag of the two options: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=sidewalk%3Awidth is currently at 152, https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/sear

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

> The other common reason is the sidewalk is too narrow. > Yes. I suppose that could taken care of by: - width:sidewalk= - width:sidewalk:left|right= The wheelchair routing could evaluate this.

Re: [Tagging] sidewalk unsuitable for wheelchair

The other common reason is the sidewalk is too narrow. Phil (trigpoint) On 10 December 2017 17:47:25 GMT+00:00, Volker Schmidt wrote: >When adding sidewalk=yes|left|right to a road, I often encounter >situations >where wheelchairs can not use the sidewalk. Common causes: > > - lowered-kerb a