Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-27 Thread SomeoneElse
On 07/08/2014 16:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: "culvert" isn't a bridge type at all (in my understanding), (on the other part of this) I'd agree that "culvert" isn't a type of bridge. I think that some of the confusion in OSM came from someone finding an old American drawing of a car dri

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:12:07AM +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > > what else can I do? > > > > Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag > man_made=bridge seems to be used worldwide [1] in some - more or less

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:25:33AM -0300, John Packer wrote: > > Just noticed that some mappers resort to adding building=yes or similar to > > make it render at all. > > Note that bridges that are buildings actually exist. [1] > > But adding building=* to a bridge when it's not the case would be

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread John Packer
> Just noticed that some mappers resort to adding building=yes or similar to > make it render at all. Note that bridges that are buildings actually exist. [1] But adding building=* to a bridge when it's not the case would be "tagging (incorrectly) for the renderer". [1]: http://wiki.openstreetma

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:12:07AM +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: > Hi! > > 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > > what else can I do? > > > > Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag > man_made=bridge seems to be used worldwide [1] in some - more or less

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 12/ago/2014, alle ore 11:26, "Richard Z." ha > scritto: > > There were > quite some odd cases, like bridge=drawbridge used to "draw" the outline of > the bridge. I don't think that's "odd" but rather the preferable method to map a bridge (as opposed to map that a piece of way i

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Il giorno 12/ago/2014, alle ore 14:02, John Packer > ha scritto: > > I believe it's main purpose is to solve a known rendering problem in bridges. this is not at all limited to rendering, it is a question how to map a bridge - as long as we don't map it (but only imply it by tagging that

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > what else can I do? > Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag man_made=bridge seems to be used worldwide [1] in some - more or less - consistent way. It provides useful data, is simple to tag, it should be easy to

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
another lamentable attempt is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/241772803 what else can I do? Richard On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:06:02AM -0300, John Packer wrote: > PS: If you removed these 'bridges as area', you probably should fix that. > > > 2014-08-12 9:02 GMT-03:00 John Packer :

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:06:02AM -0300, John Packer wrote: > PS: If you removed these 'bridges as area', you probably should fix that. I have removed the area around this one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25397414 and filed this ticket as it did not render sanely: https://github.com/gra

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:02:39AM -0300, John Packer wrote: > Richard, > Perhaps these cases in which the outline of the bridge was drawn is related > to this proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge yes, I am pretty sure it was a desperate attempt to mak

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread John Packer
PS: If you removed these 'bridges as area', you probably should fix that. 2014-08-12 9:02 GMT-03:00 John Packer : > Richard, > Perhaps these cases in which the outline of the bridge was drawn is > related to this proposal: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread John Packer
Richard, Perhaps these cases in which the outline of the bridge was drawn is related to this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge I believe it's main purpose is to solve a known rendering problem in bridges. Nowadays, when two or more parallel ways are i

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:23:35AM -0400, Christopher Hoess wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:57 PM, SomeoneElse > wrote: > > > For the benefit of anyone looking at taginfo stats in this thread, it's > > worth mentioning that there's some "non-survey-based" editing going on: > > > > http://www.o

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-11 Thread Christopher Hoess
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:57 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: > For the benefit of anyone looking at taginfo stats in this thread, it's > worth mentioning that there's some "non-survey-based" editing going on: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24690099 > > All "bridge=drawbridge" to "bridge=movabl

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-11 Thread SomeoneElse
For the benefit of anyone looking at taginfo stats in this thread, it's worth mentioning that there's some "non-survey-based" editing going on: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24690099 Cheers, Andu ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreet

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 09:21:46AM -0400, Christopher Hoess wrote: > On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Richard Z. wrote: > > > > > > thanks, that looks much better now. > > > > Would it be fine to add the "simple_suspension" type > >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_suspension_bridge) > > to

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-09 Thread Christopher Hoess
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Richard Z. wrote: > > > thanks, that looks much better now. > > Would it be fine to add the "simple_suspension" type >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_suspension_bridge) > to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge:structure ? It appears > that most of

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 05:10:26PM -0400, Christopher Hoess wrote: > Volker, > > There was a rather inconspicuous sentence at the end of > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge linking to the additional > "bridge:..." keys. I've reordered the introductory material in that page > somewhat t

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Christopher Hoess
Volker, There was a rather inconspicuous sentence at the end of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge linking to the additional "bridge:..." keys. I've reordered the introductory material in that page somewhat to make it more clear that these additional options exist for adding detail abou

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
agreed That means producing a revised bridge wiki page that combines all info. Who does the work? :-( On 8 August 2014 13:07, Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 08.08.2014 11:35, Richard Z. wrote: > > My idea was > > * abandon bridge=swing in favor of bridge=movable which could provide > > subtyping

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 08.08.2014 11:35, Richard Z. wrote: > My idea was > * abandon bridge=swing in favor of bridge=movable which could provide > subtyping if someone really needed it. We already have an approved proposal that provides this subtyping: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Bridge_t

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 08/ago/2014 um 11:35 schrieb "Richard Z." : > > My idea was > * abandon bridge=swing in favor of bridge=movable which could provide > subtyping if someone really needed it. > * introduce bridge=suspension bridge=simple_suspension I suggest to also look at previous discussions on this t

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 05:58:01PM +0200, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Good old Wiipedia helps: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge#Types_of_bridges > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_bridge > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge wikipedia is clear on that but if you look at "swing

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
On 7 August 2014 18:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > yes, aqueducts will usually also have bridges as parts of them (not all, > some even run underground for instance). > Not true. In California the aqueducts look like navigable canals, but carry drinking water. > Still this is a completely d

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-08-07 19:06 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes : > An aqueduct is definitely a type of bridge, i.e. one carrying a > waterway, usually a canal over a road, river or valley. > > The most famous, and scariest of them all > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontcysyllte_Aqueduct > yes, aqueducts will usuall

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
Yes. That is a navigable aqueduct bridge. It is a structurally a viaduct with an aqueduct function on top. So how to map these two orthogonal properties of this bridge? I would map this as waterway=canal, bridge=viaduct, boat=yes, layer=x exactly as we do for a road bridge. If you want you can add

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 17:53 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2014-08-07 17:25 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > Wondering what to do with that? With just 687 objects > worldwide the problem > would be easily fixable.. just how? > > > I think tagging the type of bri

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
Good old Wiipedia helps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge#Types_of_bridges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_bridge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge On 7 August 2014 17:25, Richard Z. wrote: > > Those are radically different types of bridges.. comparing >http://www.trav

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-08-07 17:25 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. : > > Wondering what to do with that? With just 687 objects worldwide the problem > would be easily fixable.. just how? I think tagging the type of bridge as road attribute might be an exxageration. We should start mapping bridges as objects (area) and then