Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread Clifford Snow
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:34 PM, johnw wrote: > As an easy (well, easier) fix - it might be a good idea for iD to show, > color coded, what option is chosen for a road - white for paved, grey > striped for gravel and friends, and brown for various ground / soil/ mud > etc. it might make it easi

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread johnw
> On Jan 16, 2015, at 6:22 AM, David Bannon wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-01-15 at 18:07 +0100, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > >> Some people in Poland (the ones who never browse community forums) >> maniacally tag every dirt road as highway=track, even if it should be >> residential+unpaved > > Th

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-20 Thread althio althio
Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > What is the basic philosophy of OSM tagging at the top level? > ... > Is there an FAQ on this? Or has this never been documented I do not have a FAQ on philosophy, only this and that... A few entries about 'how to create/propose/use' tags: http://wiki.openst

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 16.01.2015 um 12:56 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo : > > The building tag > is now clearly documented as pertaining to the nature of things, but > this hasn't always been the case at least in the past 7 years (and back then there have been hardly any buildings mapped) it has always been the

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 16.01.2015 um 10:56 schrieb Pieren : > > I would > say we already have two committees for tagging scheme: > - the JOSM presets maintainers > - the DWG I'd add - the osm-carto-style sheet maintainer - the ID developers plus the Nominatim developers, osm2pgsql developers (at least for r

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 15.01.2015 um 20:52 schrieb Marc Gemis : > > It would be nice that each country could create messages that are displayed > when you start editing in their area. +1, but will not solve all problems obviously, as the topic is quite complex. We'd either cover only the most important poin

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
"Kotya Karapetyan" > 2) Suggested tags functionality should be implemented. I have seen that in the Android editor Vespucci. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Note also massive influence of JOSM validator and other rule-checker tools. 2015-01-16 13:14 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo : > On 16/01/2015, Pieren wrote: > Historical contributors and leaders will tell you that there is no > > "official committee" in OSM. But, to be a litle provocative, I would

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 16/01/2015, Pieren wrote: Historical contributors and leaders will tell you that there is no > "official committee" in OSM. But, to be a litle provocative, I would > say we already have two committees for tagging scheme: > - the JOSM presets maintainers > - the DWG AFAIK the DWG's influence o

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 14/01/2015, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Are 'we' tagging for > > What things are? eg highways > OR > What things are used for? eg amenity Why does it have to be one exclusive_or the other ? Both what things are and what they are used for is important. There's normally always a way to

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Kotya Karapetyan wrote: > There will be a tagging > committee: It will maintain the official OSM tagging scheme. Historical contributors and leaders will tell you that there is no "official committee" in OSM. But, to be a litle provocative, I would say we already

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread johnw
> On Jan 15, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > 4 lane ‘tertiary" road that handles 5 times the vehicle traffic, traveling > > on to connect with 2 major trunk roads - > > intersects the narrow two lane “secondary road” that is one of the small > > roads coming down from the “

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread David Bannon
On Thu, 2015-01-15 at 18:07 +0100, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > Some people in Poland (the ones who never browse community forums) > maniacally tag every dirt road as highway=track, even if it should be > residential+unpaved Thats is a case of "tagging for the renderer" I'm afraid. They do tha

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > Also, I think that editor presets makers should really implement *all* > approved tags (barring some specialized stuff like OSM-3D, indoor > mapping etc) because not featuring a tag makes some people tag things > not exactly correctly, ju

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
Hi Marc, > By forced rules: you mean a committee that decides what gets mapped and how > ? > So when I want to map something now, I have to file a request to the > committee to start looking for a new tag. And if they like the request they > come back within a few months with a proposal. And this

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
Good idea, Building further on this idea: Right now the main problem we have with iD in Belgium is that we have better, more recent aerial imagery that cannot be used in iD. They are working on that but until a new version is released new mappers might realign house with old images from Bing. It w

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Marc Gemis wrote: > Maybe it's way too easy to start mapping. Maybe you should first follow a > course on how to map before making your first edit. During this course you > can learn about the good mapping habits in your country. But this is > probably also not a

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Michał Brzozowski wrote: > Some people in Poland (the ones who never browse community forums) > maniacally tag every dirt road as highway=track, even if it should be > residential+unpaved (Like short named streets at suburbs) > so how would this be solved by more

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Michał Brzozowski
Yes. As much as all this "you can use any tags you want" creates an environment open for innovation, it creates a horrible mess when you use it without coordination and on existing features. Also, no-one seems to ask a question "How it that problem solved in other maps?" when proposing tags or othe

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Marc Gemis
By forced rules: you mean a committee that decides what gets mapped and how ? So when I want to map something now, I have to file a request to the committee to start looking for a new tag. And if they like the request they come back within a few months with a proposal. And this committee is all-kno

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
Now that the water_tap proposal discussion is over, I'd like to join this important discussion. My opinion: Since OSM is a *map*, we should *map* things. That means, we should tag what actually exists on the planet, not what is implied. Sometimes things are tagged in real life. For example, motorw

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
> 4 lane ‘tertiary" road that handles 5 times the vehicle traffic, traveling on to connect with 2 major trunk roads - > intersects the narrow two lane “secondary road” that is one of the small roads coming down from the “suburbs” into the city Interesting. I was unaware about so drastic changes i

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-15 Thread johnw
I’m a newcomer, and somewhat of a noob, But I’ll take a crack at it.: ** We are drawing existence, and tagging purpose, usage, and metadata - with a varying balance of importance between those 3 things. ** There are some caveats - it needs to stay put for a long time, and it needs to be such

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-14 Thread Warin
On 14/01/2015 11:00 PM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 07:59:49 +0100 From: Frederik Ramm To:tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging Message-ID:<54b613e5.8020...@remote.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 H

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/14/2015 01:28 AM, Warin wrote: > What is the basic philosophy of OSM tagging at the top level? There is no basic philosophy at the top level from which everything else can be derived. It's like evolution - some things are a bit strange but you can often understand them by looking at how

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-13 Thread David Bannon
On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 11:28 +1100, Warin wrote: > What is the basic philosophy of OSM tagging at the top level? > > Are 'we' tagging for > What things are? eg highways OR What things are used for? eg amenity I think its a very good question Warin. Perhaps, at the hart of much angst amongst OSM'er