> On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
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> I would not consider a freestanding statue or several of them (not in a niche
> or covered or inside some other construction) , a “shrine”
They are usually the same objects inside other wayside shrines (as I understand
it). Th
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> On 21. Feb 2018, at 14:12, tomoya muramoto wrote:
>
> * Jizo statue enshrines the spirit of Jizo, a buddhism master. So we pray to
> it.
that’s a good point, thank you for the background, I agree it can be seen like
this.
So my critique remains only for the column and
wikipedia has also a reference to the etymology in the first phrase:
A shrine (Latin: scrinium "case or chest for books or papers"; Old French:
escrin "box or case")[1]
Frankly, I wouldn’t rely on wikipedia for edge cases.
Cheers,
Martin
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> On 21. Feb 2018, at 14:12, tomoy
* Wikipedia shows some "shrine" without "building".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrine
* Jizo statue enshrines the spirit of Jizo, a buddhism master. So we pray
to it.
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> On 15. Feb 2018, at 14:53, tomoya muramoto wrote:
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> I added some photo example to wiki,
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine
Please do not add more examples to the wiki which contradict the definition
(that a wayside shrine requires a s
> I assumed it was a shrine for the hill it is on. Would a Mikoshi be
stored so far away from the road?
If there's only this building, it could be a shinto shrine
(amenity=place_of_worship + religion=shinto)
> Is "building=garage" standard tagging for mikoshi storage buildings of
any size?
It's ju
Tomoya - Thanks for the translation help! I wasn't expecting that.
This particular building is 300m into the forest, at the top of a small hill,
accessed only by a walking trail. I assumed it was a shrine for the hill it is
on. Would a Mikoshi be stored so far away from the road?
I know of
> For some context, here are 4 pictures.
> https://m.imgur.com/a/cyFFn
* 1st and 2nd: Shinto shrine?
I cannot deside its a Shinto shrine or not. It could be a Shinto
garage(Mikoshi is placed in it).
If so, I would tag it as building=garage(or yes) + religion=shinto (without
amenity=place_of_worshi
2018-02-16 13:24 GMT+01:00 tomoya muramoto :
>
>>
>> While the shinto shrine seems to fit perfectly, I feel the statues suffer
>> from the same problem as the column: there's no shrine, especially as there
>> are (apparently) true jizo shrines, e.g. http://sokukoji.org/20140101_j
>> izo-shrine_640
>
>
> I was surprised to find man_made=torii when I was napping near Mt Haruna.
> I assume there are changes to the Japanese tagging that happen that I don't
> notice.
>
> Discussion on man_made=torii is here
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA_talk:Tag:religion%3Dshinto
And Shinto related obje
>
>
>
> While the shinto shrine seems to fit perfectly, I feel the statues suffer
> from the same problem as the column: there's no shrine, especially as there
> are (apparently) true jizo shrines, e.g. http://sokukoji.org/20140101_
> jizo-shrine_640/
>
Shinto small shrine and Jizo are used in the
2018-02-15 14:53 GMT+01:00 tomoya muramoto :
> I added some photo example to wiki, https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine
>
> Japanese community has agreed to use historic=wayside_shrine to these
> objects;
> * Shinto small shrine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokora
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
>
> +1 to require „enshrining“ for a shrine.
For some context, here are 4 pictures.
https://m.imgur.com/a/cyFFn
The first two is a remote Shinto shrine (building=shrine) located on a hilltop.
It is a building the size of a ga
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 10:53 PM, tomoya muramoto
> wrote:
>
> I added some photo example to wiki,
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine
Thanks for telling us about things going on in the Japanese discussions and
adding examples. Please correct any of my statemen
Javbw
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
> This seems to imply that wayside_cross is a subclass of wayside shrine (all
> instances of crosses are also shrines)?
I think it is really difficult to tease apart "memorial" from a lot of these
religious objects. I i
I added some photo example to wiki,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:historic%3Dwayside_shrine
Japanese community has agreed to use historic=wayside_shrine to these
objects;
* Shinto small shrine, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokora
* Jizo, carved statue of a famous buddhist,
https://en.wi
2018-02-15 4:23 GMT+01:00 John Willis :
>
> This column seems to be like that - a religious object dedicated to a
> worshipped spirit right there, nearby, or a place for locals to leave small
> offerings to the dedicated spirit/dieity/god. Can be a small case for
> holding very small objects or ac
Javbw
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> wrote:
>
> What do you think about the column, does it meet your expectations for
> wayside shrine?
If the object is religious in nature, I think it is.
Very very very old wayside shrines in Japan are usually destroyed. The weathe
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> On 15. Feb 2018, at 01:19, John Willis wrote:
>
> To me, a building=shrine / temple "enshrines" an object or offers a place for
> worship of a statue or object.
+1 to require „enshrining“ for a shrine.
What do you think about the column, does it meet your expectations f
There are tons and tons of little singular Budda statues on a pedestal and
perhaps a little roof, and people leave coins, sake, and dress them in
jackets. There are also very tiny Shinto "shrines" on the top of mountains
(like the size of a shoebox or microwave) that have a spot for offerings a
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> On 12. Feb 2018, at 18:55, Kevin Kenny wrote:
>
> The key aspect is that it is a pilgrimage site
nice research on “shrine” in catholic law, but we’re discussing “wayside
shrine”, which is, as I understand it, not any shrine with a way nearby
(because every church has at
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> For me it is something that I would describe as shrine and it is certainly
> the same in function.
>
> I guess that to solve that somebody should check how "shrine" tends to be
> defined (I am not a native speaker of English).
For what i
There could be some bias on the translation.
As an example, the name ID gives to it in Spanish (santuario al borde del
camino=holy place close to a road) is somehow arbitrary.
As most beginners read the translated
tag name only, and different languages make different segmentations of
reality, havi
For me it is something that I would describe as shrine and it is certainly
the same in function.
I guess that to solve that somebody should check how "shrine" tends to be
defined (I am not a native speaker of English).
On 12 Feb 2018 1:30 p.m., "Martin Koppenhoefer"
wrote:
> The wiki has an exa
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> On 12. Feb 2018, at 14:06, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
>
> For example, this Buddhist shrine doesn't seem to have any space or
> cavity (the Buddha is placed on an altar, it seems).
> http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=61,12053,0,0,1,0
I’m wouldn’t call this a wa
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:47 AM, OSMDoudou
<19b350d2-b1b3-4edb-ad96-288ea1238...@gmx.com> wrote:
> According to this description in French [1], to be defined as "oratoire" /
> "shrine", there should be a cavity to exhibit something (with a cross, a
> roof, etc.).
Maybe the definition of a "shri
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> On 12. Feb 2018, at 13:39, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
>
> If a symbol is sacred (even if it's a column) and people use it for
> praying/worshiping, is really there any difference from a a small
> building with a space inside?
I think it is about terminology, for instanc
Yes.
According to this description in French [1], to be defined as "oratoire" /
"shrine", there should be a cavity to exhibit something (with a cross, a roof,
etc.).
So, it's also my interpretation that the picture is more a column than a shrine.
[1] http://www.les-oratoires.asso.fr/presentati
On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> The wiki has an example for a wayside shrine which I wouldn't classify as
> "shrine", it's rather a column, no space inside:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Eleonorens%C3%A4ule_Penzing.jpg
If a symbol is sacred (even if it'
The wiki has an example for a wayside shrine which I wouldn't classify as
"shrine", it's rather a column, no space inside:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Eleonorens%C3%A4ule_Penzing.jpg
What do you think, shall we remove the image?
Context:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:histo
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