Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-22 Thread bkil
My answer reflected on Paul's suggestion of introducing yet another term (fare=*) to more closely match common vocabulary. I wouldn't recommend merging tolls, sorry if you read it like that. On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:10 AM Colin Smale wrote: > On 2019-06-22 10:38, bkil wrote: > > If we step bac

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-22 Thread Tobias Zwick
Colin Smale, this is a very wise thing to say. I think this is often a missing element in tagging discussions. Is there a tagging suggestion guidelines page on the wiki? If yes, this is definitely one point that should be added. And if not, maybe we (people on the mailing list) should create o

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-06-22 10:38, bkil wrote: > If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is > isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. Only insofar as they indicate that the user has to pay. "Toll" has a distinct meaning, in the UK at least, that it is (and needs to be) sanction

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-22 Thread Warin
On 22/06/19 18:38, bkil wrote: If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. As all of them could be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our da

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-22 Thread bkil
If we step back a bit from our dictionaries, fee=* as a concept is isomorphic to toll=* (and fare) in this context. As all of them could be understood by native speakers and fee=* covers a more general category, it is clearly the better choice. If we consider our data users, non-native speakers and

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-20 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 01:33, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Oxford Dictionary says > > Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. > Yep. Also, in the UK, carries legal implications. Legislation is required to require tolls on a public highway. Fee : A payment made to a profe

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
The Oxford Dictionary says Toll : A charge payable to use a bridge or road. Fee : A payment made to a professional person or to a professional or public body in exchange for advice or services. I would go with fee, keep tolls for roads + bridges. __

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
I've just checked 3 here in Australia - 2 car & 1 foot only. All 3 websites quote their "fares", but the 2 car ferries also make reference to "fees"! Thanks Graeme ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listi

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Evan Derickson
Also FWIW, Washington State Ferries are considered part of the state highway system. For example: https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=47.17.080 "Fare" is more common than "toll" here ( https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/ferries/fares/) but I don't recall ever hearing "fee" in the context of a ferry

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Colin Smale
On 2019-06-19 13:49, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I asked my wife (native American English speaker) how she would > describe a ferry that wasn't free. She thought of paying a fare first, > for foot ferries, but when pressed suggested that "Toll ferry" was > better than something with "fee" > > Searc

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I asked my wife (native American English speaker) how she would describe a ferry that wasn't free. She thought of paying a fare first, for foot ferries, but when pressed suggested that "Toll ferry" was better than something with "fee" Searching online, I'm finding results for both "toll ferry" and

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 19 giu 2019, alle ore 10:24, Mateusz Konieczny > ha scritto: > > I feel that toll tag is better as it is part of road structure. for me a ferry is not part of the road structure. The term „toll“ applies to usage fees for roads, bridges and tunnels (I think, I

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 19 giu 2019, alle ore 13:08, Martin Koppenhoefer > ha scritto: > > The term „toll“ applies to usage fees for roads, bridges and tunnels (I > think, I am not a native speaker though), it doesn’t seem right for a ferry. I just noticed the wiki has exactly the sa

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Topographe Fou
: tagging@openstreetmap.orgObjet: Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag On 19/06/19 18:24, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Is there some reason to prefer one of this two keys for tagging whatever ferry is a paid one? What do the cross channel ferries have

Re: [Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Warin
On 19/06/19 18:24, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Is there some reason to prefer one of this two keys for tagging whatever ferry is a paid one? What do the cross channel ferries have for UK to France? Ha. They don't have a tag on them to indicate that payment is required. Not done on UK to Spain eith

[Tagging] paid ferry - fee or toll tag

2019-06-19 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Is there some reason to prefer one of this two keys for tagging whatever ferry is a paid one? I feel that toll tag is better as it is part of road structure. For recreational cruises fee may fit better but tagging it as route=ferry is tagging for renderer anyway. As far as popularity in data go