Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
14 lip 2019, 15:26 od dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:15, Peter Elderson wrote: >> >> From the air you commonly see rows of houses with strips of green in front >> and back, so it would make sense to tag the gardens different than the >> residentia

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Peter Elderson
That's what I meant. Vr gr Peter Elderson Op zo 14 jul. 2019 om 15:29 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:15, Peter Elderson wrote: > > > > From the air you commonly see rows of houses with strips of green in > front and ba

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:15, Peter Elderson wrote: > > From the air you commonly see rows of houses with strips of green in front > and back, so it would make sense to tag the gardens different than the > residential area. While I am all in favor of being detailed with la

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Warin
On 14/07/19 16:48, Pee Wee wrote: Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis >: On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee mailto:piewi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a private wood / forest in a d

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Peter Elderson
Residential gardens in Nederland, as along as people refer to those as "My front garden" even when completely paved to support one tree-in-a-pot, are leisure things. From the air you commonly see rows of houses with strips of green in front and back, so it would make sense to tag the gardens diffe

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Pee Wee
> > > 1. Has this issue been discussed before and if so … what was the > outcome? > > 2. If not… do you agree with me that private front/back garden > should not be tagged with leisure=garden but with a non-leisure tag? (if > so… any suggestions? And what about private "gardens" that ar

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-14 Thread Pee Wee
> Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots get a different amenity-key ? > No, we refine this with additional tags. > This method can be applied to private gardens

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Pee Wee
Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Marc Gemis : > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee wrote: > > Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots get a different ame

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Warin
On 14/07/19 04:44, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 10:17:18AM +1000, Warin wrote: Some private gardens that front the street are publicly visible, I see no reason not to map them. The 'usability' in this instance is visible and, sometimes,scents. The same reason i do not map my k

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Alessandro Sarretta
On 13/07/19 20:44, Florian Lohoff wrote: The same reason i do not map my kitchen sink as a natural=water/water=pond Its not for the public leisure. I don't know if the issue here is public leisure (in this case it's maybe better to change the key "leisure" with something else), but I see som

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Jul 2019, at 19:55, Philip Barnes wrote: > > You can of course just walk across when there is a gap in the traffic, > walking would be very restricted if you only crossed roads at crossings. while I agree in principle, the legal situation in many countries is that

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 10:17:18AM +1000, Warin wrote: > Some private gardens that front the street are publicly visible, I see > no reason not to map them. > > The 'usability' in this instance is visible and, sometimes,scents. The same reason i do not map my kitchen sink as a natural=water/water

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would not recommend to try to cross a roundabout in Italy like that for your own safety. I don't know if it is forbidden explicitly. On Sat, 13 Jul 2019 at 19:56, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Sat, 2019-07-13 at 16:56 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > > On 13. Jul 2019,

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sat, 2019-07-13 at 16:56 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > > On 13. Jul 2019, at 16:36, Tom Pfeifer > wrote: > > > Why 'private' if it is a public roundabout? > > If it not allowed to trample the flowers down, wouldn't access=no > > be more appropriate? > > it is often

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. Jul 2019, at 16:36, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > > Why 'private' if it is a public roundabout? > If it not allowed to trample the flowers down, wouldn't access=no be more > appropriate? it is often not accessible, because no crossings lead there and you are not allowed t

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 13.07.2019 09:35, Volker Schmidt wrote: I have tagged many planted centre pieces of roundabouts as leisure=garden, access=private in lack of better alternatives. Why 'private' if it is a public roundabout? If it not allowed to trample the flowers down, wouldn't access=no be more appropriate

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-13 Thread Volker Schmidt
I have tagged many planted centre pieces of roundabouts as leisure=garden, access=private in lack of better alternatives. On Sat, 13 Jul 2019, 02:18 Warin, <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/07/19 21:00, Florian Lohoff wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:23:01AM +0200, Pee Wee wrote: > >> H

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Warin
On 12/07/19 21:00, Florian Lohoff wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:23:01AM +0200, Pee Wee wrote: Hi all I would like your opinion on the next issue. meaning on may 3, 2010 when someone added a description of “Garden” from the Wikipedia garden description that refers to private gardens. In order

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 at 10:51, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12/07/19 19:02, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > Public toilet: amenity=toilets > Private toilet: not tagged (so not tagged > like a public one) > > I am unable to link to well tagged private > toilets as in this case private ta

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 07:23:01AM +0200, Pee Wee wrote: > Hi all > I would like your opinion on the next issue. > meaning on may 3, 2010 when someone added a description of “Garden” from > the Wikipedia garden description that refers to private gardens. In order > to differentiate from the publi

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
12 Jul 2019, 11:50 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 12/07/19 19:02, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> >> >> >> 12 Jul 2019, 10:11 by >> 61sundow...@gmail.com >> >> : >> >>> On 12/07/19 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >>> sent from a phone

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Warin
On 12/07/19 19:02, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 12 Jul 2019, 10:11 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: On 12/07/19 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 12. Jul 2019, at 09:12, Marc Gemis wrote: Why would a private garden require a diffe

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
12 Jul 2019, 10:11 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > On 12/07/19 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 12. Jul 2019, at 09:12, Marc Gemis wrote: >>> >>> Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a >>> private wood / forest in a different way than o

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 at 08:13, Marc Gemis wrote: > > Why would a private garden require a different key? Indeed. A private garden is often used for leisure and is a garden. One might perhaps argue for different tagging to describe a private garden used for growing vegetables and which the owne

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Warin
On 12/07/19 17:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 12. Jul 2019, at 09:12, Marc Gemis wrote: Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible by the public? Do private parking lots get a diffe

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Jul 2019, at 09:12, Marc Gemis wrote: > > Why would a private garden require a different key? Do we tag a > private wood / forest in a different way than one that is accessible > by the public? Do private parking lots get a different amenity-key ? > No, we refine thi

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I'm fine with leisure=garden for private/common/public gardens Vr gr Peter Elderson Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 07:24 schreef Pee Wee : > Hi all > > > I would like your opinion on the next issue. > > > On the Dutch forum (googletranslate >

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-12 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:50 AM Pee Wee wrote: > > I understand but numbers don't always say much. A great part of this number > is caused by an (afaik undocumentend and highly arbitrary) import in the > city of Tilburg > and how many private, residential gardens are mapped (around the world)

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-11 Thread Pee Wee
I understand but numbers don't always say much. A great part of this number is caused by an (afaik undocumentend and highly arbitrary) import in the city of Tilburg Cheers Peter Op vr 12 jul. 2019 om 08:18 schreef Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com>:

Re: [Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Jul 2019, at 07:23, Pee Wee wrote: > > It seems to me that OSM leisure=garden wiki changed meaning on may 3, 2010 > when someone added a description of “Garden” from the Wikipedia garden > description that refers to private gardens Frankly, I believe it is too la

[Tagging] leisure=garden for private front/back gardens

2019-07-11 Thread Pee Wee
Hi all I would like your opinion on the next issue. On the Dutch forum (googletranslate ) I started a thread about the tag leisure=garden for private front/back gardens. Reas