On 24/04/2015, Thorsten Alge wrote:
>
>> I fear at this stage we can only agree to disagree : to me using
>> e-cigarettes *is* smoking. I don't care much for the physicist's
>> definition of "smoke". It's the social/medical definition that matters
>> here, the one that gets turned into laws and ul
> I fear at this stage we can only agree to disagree : to me using
> e-cigarettes *is* smoking. I don't care much for the physicist's
> definition of "smoke". It's the social/medical definition that matters
> here, the one that gets turned into laws and ultimately into osm tags.
No offence but it
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yes, but also there it is not the same. Around here, vaping is allowed and
> at least tolerated if not accepted socially indoors, eg in a restaurant.
> Medically, you don't inhale smoke, so there are big dif
> Am 24.04.2015 um 02:51 schrieb John Willis :
>
> An i-phone is still considered a phone.
-1, a Mercedes is still considered a car.
And now?
Smoking is about inhaling smoke, a telephone is about speaking remotely and a
car is a means of transport.
cheers
Martin
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> Am 24.04.2015 um 00:01 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo :
>
> It's the social/medical definition that matters
> here
yes, but also there it is not the same. Around here, vaping is allowed and at
least tolerated if not accepted socially indoors, eg in a restaurant.
Medically, you don't inhale sm
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> On Apr 24, 2015, at 7:01 AM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
>
> to me using
> e-cigarettes *is* smoking.
+1
An i-phone is still considered a phone.
The rules governing e-cigs will stem from smoking in most places.
I'm not going to include BBQs in smoking rules because it
On 23/04/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> you're suggesting "smoking" as a single namespace, which doesn't apply to
> vaporizers. Maybe "inhaling"?
> On the other hand, smoking is also forbidden when not inhaling... ;-)
> I think different namespaces make sense here, because they are different
>
2015-04-23 0:24 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo :
> Your scheme uses exactly as many keys as mine for
> a given usecase. The only difference is that I put everything under a
> single namespace, which makes it tidyer and more discoverable.
>
you're suggesting "smoking" as a single namespace, which do
On 22/04/2015, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, moltonel 3x Combo
> wrote:
>> smoking=yes/no/outside/etc for the general value
>> smoking:=yes/no/etc for exceptions
>> With being any of cigarette, e-cigarette, hooka, marijuana, opium,
>> etc.
>
> That would quickly get unw
I haven't been back to America for a while, but the no smoking signs had "and
e-cigarettes" added to the bottom when I was back last year.
It may not be technically a cigarette, but it is perceived to be in the same
family as other things that protrude from your mouth and allow for nicotine
co
> Am 22.04.2015 um 19:17 schrieb Bryce Nesbitt :
>
> Remember there's no need to tag something that's already a legal restriction
> (such as the
> area I live in which has a blanket ban)
where do you get this from? It's the first time I read this. Remember our data
users are global so regi
> However just repeating the smoking tagging scheme can cover all cases
> the smoking tag does:
>
> smoking=no
> vaporizing=no
> vaporizing:outside=separated
> smoking:outside=no
>
> Remember there's no need to tag something that's already a legal
> restriction (such as the
> area I live
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:34 AM, moltonel 3x Combo
wrote:
>
> smoking=yes/no/outside/etc for the general value
> smoking:=yes/no/etc for exceptions
> With being any of cigarette, e-cigarette, hooka, marijuana, opium,
> etc.
That would quickly get unwieldy, trying to tag different restrictions
On 22/04/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2015-04-22 9:19 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson :
>
>> Well, electronic cigarettes aren't really smoking in the first place,
>> unless you want to claim that a teapot boiling is "smoking", which is
>> something most people realize isn't the case by the time they'
2015-04-22 9:19 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson :
> Well, electronic cigarettes aren't really smoking in the first place,
> unless you want to claim that a teapot boiling is "smoking", which is
> something most people realize isn't the case by the time they're 10...
>
+1, e-cigarettes should IMHO not be
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:47 PM, moltonel 3x Combo
wrote:
> On 21/04/2015, Thorsten Alge wrote:
> > is there a tag to express that the use of electronic cigarettes is
> > permitted at a location? If not I'd like to suggest the use ecigarette=*
> > or vaporizing=* with the same values as smoking=
I stumbled upon it a few weeks ago. In a restaurant were smoking is only
allowed outdoors vaporizing is allowed indoors. I asked in a few other
restaurants and it's the same there.
On 2015-04-21 22:47, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
> On 21/04/2015, Thorsten Alge wrote:
>> is there a tag to express tha
The smoking restriction page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Asmoking
Needs updating.
Nicotine vaporizing sticks rules may follow that of traditional smoking, or
not.
The only combo that probably does not exist is banning vaporizing sticks
while permitting burning sticks.
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On 21/04/2015 21:47, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
On 21/04/2015, Thorsten Alge wrote:
is there a tag to express that the use of electronic cigarettes is
permitted at a location? If not I'd like to suggest the use ecigarette=*
or vaporizing=* with the same values as smoking=*.
I've never seen a pla
On 21/04/2015, Thorsten Alge wrote:
> is there a tag to express that the use of electronic cigarettes is
> permitted at a location? If not I'd like to suggest the use ecigarette=*
> or vaporizing=* with the same values as smoking=*.
I've never seen a place that permitted one type of smoking but n
Hi,
is there a tag to express that the use of electronic cigarettes is
permitted at a location? If not I'd like to suggest the use ecigarette=*
or vaporizing=* with the same values as smoking=*.
Opinions?
Thorsten
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