Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

sent from a phone > On 2. May 2017, at 02:17, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > But without knowing a lot about the story and mechanisms behind it, the > link you quoted above doesn't seem wrong. It is not called "castle" but > "structure tagged as historic=castle in OSM", and the only things it > seem

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

Hi, On 05/01/2017 11:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I also thought like this, but not so rarely I have noticed people are > not only adding this link as the first word, they are also replacing the > following definition by the first paragraph of the English wikipedia > article with the same n

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

From: Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: 01 May 2017 22:07:11 To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions 2017-05-01 20:06 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm mailto:frede...@remote.org>>: I wouldn'

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 20:06 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm : > I wouldn't worry too much. > > A Wikipedia link is an optional component that can be added to a tag > description to someone who knows what the tag is about. > I also thought like this, but not so rarely I have noticed people are not only adding this

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

Hi, On 04/29/2017 10:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > A lot of tag definitions sooner or later get a wikipedia link to an article I wouldn't worry too much. A Wikipedia link is an optional component that can be added to a tag description to someone who knows what the tag is about. If the Wiki

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

Hello all, so what is the principle of the "organisation of information" in OSM ? Up to now, I couldn't find a documentation that explains the general philosophy how to tag items. Cheers, Thilo > different organisation of information. > will very likely not be what we want. _

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 14:43 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > > > no, my main concern is that both have different scope, and that people > are > > modifying wikidata without looking at the use of osm tags. > > You wrote "sometimes we have multiple tags in OSM each covering a > specific aspect or subtype of what is

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

On 1 May 2017 at 13:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 1. May 2017, at 12:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: > >> Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint >> was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you complain >> that there is. > no, my main concern is that

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

> Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint > was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you complain > that there is. In the OSM Wiki there's enough complexity (and not everything is "orthogonal"). If you'd like to tag tourism POIs, you should check sev

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

sent from a phone sent from a phone > On 1. May 2017, at 12:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint > was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you complain > that there is. no, my main concern is that both have dif

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

On 30 April 2017 at 09:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 30. Apr 2017, at 07:09, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >> No. The arguments made by Martin against linking to Wikipedia (which >> are themselves weak) do not stand up at all for Wikidata > actually in wikidata things are worse, because much mor

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

sent from a phone > On 1. May 2017, at 01:50, Dalibor Jelínek wrote: > > IMHO you have chosen a bad example to illustrate your statement. > There is nothing wrong with Wikipedia definition of castle. > It fits perfectly for page castle_type=defensive if you look at the details it still doesn

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

and related tools > Subject: Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions > > On 29.04.2017 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Don't link to WP, especially not in the beginning (as if their definition > automatically was equal to ours), because even if

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

On 29.04.2017 22:26, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Don't link to WP, especially not in the beginning (as if their definition > automatically was equal to ours), because even if the current state is fine, > we don't control WP and don't know how they will structure their lemmas in > the future. T

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

sent from a phone > On 30. Apr 2017, at 07:09, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > No. The arguments made by Martin against linking to Wikipedia (which > are themselves weak) do not stand up at all for Wikidata: > >> Wikipedia articles have a different scope, and quite often there >> are several articles

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

On 29 April 2017 at 22:03, Andrew Hain wrote: > What about the Wikidata links that some pages have in their infoboxes? Is > there the same objection there? No. The arguments made by Martin against linking to Wikipedia (which are themselves weak) do not stand up at all for Wikidata: > Wikipedia

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

sent from a phone > On 29. Apr 2017, at 23:03, Andrew Hain wrote: > > What about the Wikidata links that some pages have in their infoboxes? Is > there the same objection there? essentially yes. Nobody editing wikidata will check if their edits are in line with OSM tag usage. cheers, Mart

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

What about the Wikidata links that some pages have in their infoboxes? Is there the same objection there? -- Andrew From: Martin Koppenhoefer Sent: 29 April 2017 21:26:36 To: tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag

[Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

A lot of tag definitions sooner or later get a wikipedia link to an article (typically with the same name as the tag) attached to their beginning and/or the first paragraph(s) are copied to the definition. I'm sure people are acting in good faith when doing it, but I don't think it's helpful. W

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

Thanks Janko. I'm glad I posted my presets. I thought I was doing everything right but apparently I missed another fine point. I will adjust my tagging accordingly. On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Please use "species:wikidata=Q140957". The wikidata=* tag should be used >

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

Please use "species:wikidata=Q140957". The wikidata=* tag should be used only when the thing you are tagging is exactly, not more or less, the thing described in the wiki article. So for example, you can tag the tree Árbol del Tule [1] with wikidata=Q252182 [2] and species:wikidata=Q1429751 [3]

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

Here are the tags I include in my JOSM preset for a species of tree I want to include in OSM.

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:23:13 +0100 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2015-11-25 19:51 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > > > In that case that there is no article about this particular tree > > using wikipedia tag is incorrect. Use wikipedia:species or similar > > key. > > > > > I suggest doing it the

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

2015-11-25 19:51 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > In that case that there is no article about this particular tree using > wikipedia tag is incorrect. Use wikipedia:species or similar key. > I suggest doing it the other way round (not the species of wikipedia, but the wikipedia article for the sp

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:11:01 +0100 "André Pirard" wrote: > On 2015-11-25 09:00, Dave Swarthout wrote : > Can someone provide the correct way to tag a wikipedia link? It seems > the Wiki wants it one way and JOSM another. The wiki wants version 1) > but JOSM reports an error when coded that way. W

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

On 2015-11-25 09:00, Dave Swarthout wrote : Can someone provide the correct way to tag a wikipedia link? It seems the Wiki wants it one way and JOSM another. The wiki wants version 1) but JOSM reports an error when coded that way. WTF?

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

On 25 November 2015 at 12:13, Dave Swarthout wrote: > I do include the wikidata ref when it's present. I've wanted to add a > species to wikidata but they have my VPN's IP address blocked and nobody > answers my pleas for help. Screw them if they don't want my help. Very > frustrating. I *think*

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

Ah, thank you, Andy. For some reason I missed that on the Wiki page. I knew it didn't want the "http://"; stuff but never studied it past that point I reckon. I do include the wikidata ref when it's present. I've wanted to add a species to wikidata but they have my VPN's IP address blocked and nob

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

On Nov 25, 2015 8:00 AM, "Dave Swarthout" wrote: > > Can someone provide the correct way to tag a wikipedia link? > I want to use a tag written in English that describes a certain tree > Is this correct? > > 1) wikipedia=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teak > > or this? > > 2) wikipedia:en=wikipedia.org/wi

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

generic case is: wikipedia=en:Teak (article title, i.e. "long article title name", NOT "long_article_title_name"). for special (rare) cases you can also add "wikipedia:en=particular article title" (cases, where just the englisch Version is correct, or is an additio

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 09:29:18AM +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 03:00:47PM +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > Can someone provide the correct way to tag a wikipedia link? It seems the > > Wiki wants it one way and JOSM another. The wiki wants version 1) but JOSM > > reports

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 03:00:47PM +0700, Dave Swarthout wrote: > Can someone provide the correct way to tag a wikipedia link? It seems the > Wiki wants it one way and JOSM another. The wiki wants version 1) but JOSM > reports an error when coded that way. WTF? > > I want to use a tag written in E

[Tagging] Wikipedia

Can someone provide the correct way to tag a wikipedia link? It seems the Wiki wants it one way and JOSM another. The wiki wants version 1) but JOSM reports an error when coded that way. WTF? I want to use a tag written in English that describes a certain tree Is this correct? 1) wikipedia=en.wik

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

I was no aware despite my attempts to find something like this. But I prefer report produced by my validator as it is providing info what is a problem. On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:05:58 -0800 Werner Hoch wrote Hi, I'm wondering, if you're aware of WIWOSM: https://w

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

And thanks for providing link! (sorry for separate messages) On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:05:58 -0800 Werner Hoch wrote Hi, I'm wondering, if you're aware of WIWOSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM They provide lists of bad wikipedia tags, too: https://

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

Hi, I'm wondering, if you're aware of WIWOSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM They provide lists of bad wikipedia tags, too: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WIWOSM#Logging regards Werner ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 10:25:48AM -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Keepright has a new maintainer, and will be revived on a new server soon. is there an issue tracker or other possibility to report bugs and issues for keepright? Richard ___ Tagging maili

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

Keepright has a new maintainer, and will be revived on a new server soon. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 2:01 AM, bulwersator wrote: > Unfortunately keepRight seems to be dying ("I will stop my efforts in > develpoing KeepRight"). ___ Tagging mailing list Tag

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

Unfortunately keepRight seems to be dying ("I will stop my efforts in develpoing KeepRight"). On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:48:50 -0800 Bryce Nesbitt wrote Such a test could have a home in keepRight ___ Tagging mailing l

Re: [Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

Such a test could have a home in keepRight ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Wikipedia tag validator

I made a simple validator of wikipedia tag. It is fetching wikipedia articles and checking for serious problems. I intended to do some fancy checks - but for now even looking for articles without coordinates is enough. There are many instances of improper wikipedia tags in OSM database and multi