> Am 26.05.2015 um 12:46 schrieb Jo :
>
> Also I don't think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do
> have name:etymology:wikidata
there are a few tags like that:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=%3Awikipedia
I agree that wikidata is better for these kind of th
uto, 26. svi 2015. 11:20 Martin Koppenhoefer je
napisao:
yes, basically at the moment wikidata entities have almost the same issues
as wp articles have (because they have been created from the articles) with
the advantage of the capability of better handling of name changes
I remember readin
I wouldn't deprecate the wikipedia tags either. They give a human readable
form of what is hopefully the same item on WD.
I only hope that we won't stop at adding only the WP tags. Also I don't
think anybody is adding name:etymology:wikipedia tags, but we do have
name:etymology:wikidata
So a usec
> Am 26.05.2015 um 12:08 schrieb Andy Mabbett :
>
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction
Thank you for this pointer, it's appreciated.
Are there definitions for the properties? I have had a look at the examples and
landed here:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P106
is
On 26/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> My main concern with wikidata for the moment: it's mostly as fuzzy as
> Wikipedia is - because the objects are not created by humans but conversions
> of articles. Using only wikidata would mean we are sure that wikidata will
> be a success.
Agreed. I i
On 26/05/2015, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> You don't "link to a Wikidata label", you link to a Wikidata item.
QED, you can only use wikidata IDs such as "Q936" in OSM tags, which
is much less userfriendly than the wikipedia equivalent. You brought
wikidata labels to the discussion; they're nice but the
On 26 May 2015 at 10:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Andy Mabbett :
>
>>> a hotel that includes a restaurant. OSM uses
>>> two objects from the begining, both linked to the single wikidata
>>> article that talks about the hotel as a whole.
>>
>> OSM should only lin
On 26 May 2015 at 10:25, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> how can you edit wikidata?
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Introduction
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Am 26.05.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Andy Mabbett :
>> a hotel that includes a restaurant. OSM uses
>> two objects from the begining, both linked to the single wikidata
>> article that talks about the hotel as a whole.
>
> OSM should only link the hotel item to the Wikipedia article.
why's that,
> Am 25.05.2015 um 21:18 schrieb Thorsten Alge :
>
> Since wikipedia migrated the interwikilinks (the link which are
> connecting the article in language a of something to all other articles
> in a different language about that same topic) it is where you get links
> to articles in all availab
> Am 25.05.2015 um 20:58 schrieb Janko Mihelić :
>
> Creating a wikidata object out of a wikipedia article is a non issue. You
> just get an object with no attributes, only a link to the article.
>
> Even articles like Wikipedia disambiguation pages have wikidata objects:
> http://www.wikida
On 26 May 2015 at 00:35, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
> On 25/05/2015, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>> "On 25 May 2015 at 22:18, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
>>
>>> How do you link to a wikidata label in an OSM tag ? One that never
>>> suffers from renaming ? As far as I know, we can/should only use
>>> wikidata
On 25/05/2015, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> "On 25 May 2015 at 22:18, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
>
>> How do you link to a wikidata label in an OSM tag ? One that never
>> suffers from renaming ? As far as I know, we can/should only use
>> wikidata ids, which are stable but not user friendly.
>
> http://w
"On 25 May 2015 at 22:18, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
> How do you link to a wikidata label in an OSM tag ? One that never
> suffers from renaming ? As far as I know, we can/should only use
> wikidata ids, which are stable but not user friendly.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 5:18 AM, moltonel 3x Combo
wrote:
> Speaking of stable ids, how does wikidata handle renames, merges and
> splits on the wikipedia side ? Even in the best-case scenario, it
> seems that an OSM wikidata tag can drift off-target following
> reorganisations that are correct f
On 25/05/2015, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 25 May 2015 at 17:13, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
>
>> * wikipedia names are friendlyer to mappers, and generally more well-known
>
> Wikidata labels should be more useful, contain less redundancy, and be
> no less well-known. For example, "High Street" rather
On 25 May 2015 at 19:14, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
>> Can you just show me a single Wikipedia entry without a Wikidata object.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections
> Ok, maybe that one doesn't count because it's kind of metadata that
> doesn't belong in wikidata.
No, it doesn
I'm not shure what it way you wanted to prove with these links. All of
these articles have wikidata items linked to them. All new articles get
wikidata items short after creation. Have a look in the left sidebar.
Since wikipedia migrated the interwikilinks (the link which are
connecting the articl
On 25 May 2015 at 17:32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> I thought all wikipedia articles had been transformed into wikidata entities
> (that's what I was told from a guy from wikimedia).
He was correct.
> The big difference that I see that could be there (in theory, the current
> situation wasn't
pon, 25. svi 2015. 18:57 moltonel 3x Combo je napisao:
Automatically creating wikipedia articles out of wikidata objects
shouldn't be too hard. The reverse seems unlikely. As far as I
understand, wikidata will always be playing catch-up to wikipedia, to
some
extent.
Creating a wikidata objec
On 25/05/2015 19:14, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
Can you just show me a single Wikipedia entry without a Wikidata object.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections
Ok, maybe that one doesn't count because it's kind of metadata that
doesn't belong in wikidata.
https://www.wikidata.org
On 25/05/2015, Andreas Goss wrote:
>> ikidata will always be playing catch-up to wikipedia, to
>> some extent.
>
> Can you just show me a single Wikipedia entry without a Wikidata object.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections
Ok, maybe that one doesn't count because it's kind of m
On 25 May 2015 at 17:13, moltonel 3x Combo wrote:
> * wikipedia names are friendlyer to mappers, and generally more well-known
Wikidata labels should be more useful, contain less redundancy, and be
no less well-known. For example, "High Street" rather than "High
Street, Birmingham"
> * wikidata
On 2015-05-25 15:29, Marc Gemis wrote :
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, André Pirard
> mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I already replied that I wonder what's the idea behind that
> enforcement. Why wouldn't Wikidata be used "also" rather than
> "instead"? Is it really
ikidata will always be playing catch-up to wikipedia, to
some extent.
Can you just show me a single Wikipedia entry without a Wikidata object.
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On 25/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2015-05-25 16:24 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo :
>> Also, a lot of wikipedia articles do not (yet) have a wikidata
>> counterpart.
>
> I thought all wikipedia articles had been transformed into wikidata
> entities (that's what I was told from a guy from wi
2015-05-25 16:24 GMT+02:00 moltonel 3x Combo :
>
> Also, a lot of wikipedia articles do not (yet) have a wikidata
> counterpart.
I thought all wikipedia articles had been transformed into wikidata
entities (that's what I was told from a guy from wikimedia).
The big difference that I see that co
On 25/05/2015, Guillaume Allegre wrote:
>> I already replied that I wonder what's the idea behind that enforcement.
>> Why wouldn't Wikidata be used "also" rather than "instead"? Is it
>> really a goal of OSM insisting to destroy Wikipedia?
>
> Wikidata has one more advantage : sometimes, Wikiped
Le lun. 25 mai 2015 à 15:08 +0200, André Pirard a écrit :
> On 25 May 2015 at 13:18, Thorsten Alge wrote:
> > Since wikidata will be the center of all Wikimedia wikis it might be
> > better to link to wikidata items instead of wikipedia article. Thats
> > why I wonder what you think of deprecating
On 25/05/2015, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
> I think a lot of us mappers are going to need a lot of convincing,
> wikipedia tags, in common with other osm tags, are human readable.
> When reviewing changes I do not see a number that is meaningless without
> following the link, and even then the w
Well thats a good point. But in my opinion thats where the editor should
support the mapper and load the Description from Wikidata and maybe a
list of available languages for wikipedia articles.
> I think a lot of us mappers are going to need a lot of convincing,
> wikipedia tags, in common wit
Hi,
* Thorsten Alge [150525 15:24]:
> Having the wikidata-tag enables an application to select the
> wikipedia-article in the language of the users choice or to easily load
> additional information from wikidata like a cities crest for displaying.
> The advantage would be that a user wouldn't get
On Mon May 25 14:29:21 2015 GMT+0100, Marc Gemis wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, André Pirard
> wrote:
>
> > I already replied that I wonder what's the idea behind that enforcement.
> > Why wouldn't Wikidata be used "also" rather than "instead"? Is it really a
> > goal of OSM insisting
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, André Pirard
wrote:
> I already replied that I wonder what's the idea behind that enforcement.
> Why wouldn't Wikidata be used "also" rather than "instead"? Is it really a
> goal of OSM insisting to destroy Wikipedia?
>
So when people stop linking to Wikipedia,
Ok, No.
Having the wikidata-tag enables an application to select the
wikipedia-article in the language of the users choice or to easily load
additional information from wikidata like a cities crest for displaying.
The advantage would be that a user wouldn't get the German article
because its a Ger
On 25 May 2015 at 13:18, Thorsten Alge wrote:
> Since wikidata will be the center of all Wikimedia wikis it might be
> better to link to wikidata items instead of wikipedia article. Thats
> why I wonder what you think of deprecating the wikipedia tags (NOT
> DELETING any of them) and focus on wiki
I think for most people, especially the more casual ones using ID, it
will be easier to map wikipedia tags so I think we should keep it. Long
term it would probably be great to have a automated system that just
pulls the Wikidata ID when you put in a wikipedia, but I don't think
that will happe
It must not be more difficult for a novice if the editor supports
fetching the wikidata item when a wikipedia-tag is present.
On 2015-05-25 14:40, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> On 25 May 2015 at 13:18, Thorsten Alge wrote:
>
>> Since wikidata will be the center of all Wikimedia wikis it might be
>> bette
On 25 May 2015 at 13:18, Thorsten Alge wrote:
> Since wikidata will be the center of all Wikimedia wikis it might be
> better to link to wikidata items instead of wikipedia article. Thats why
> I wonder what you think of deprecating the wikipedia tags (NOT DELETING
> any of them) and focus on wik
Hallo List,
I started mapping wikidata tags some time ago. Those are great because
you can find wikipedia articles in any language you want (not only the
'primary' language) and and plenty of other information which might be
interesting for your project.
Since wikidata will be the center of all W
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