On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 11:36:52AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> I have expanded it a bit to help motivate "trade" for those who haven't
> >> seen this thread. Surely "wood" is redundant given "timber_yard"?
> >
> > There are specialty places that sell upmarket timber/wood but wouldn't
> > call
On 9 August 2010 04:36, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Right, but what are we calling them? The Phillips gas stations (76 and
shop=trade
trade=wood
?
> Phillips 66 in particular) generally regard themselves as being "upscale"
> and generally nicer than, say, BP's ARCO. That doesn't stop both from
> bei
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:57:40 +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 31 July 2010 19:46, ael
> wrote:
>> I have expanded it a bit to help motivate "trade" for those who haven't
>> seen this thread. Surely "wood" is redundant given "timber_yard"?
>
> There are specialty places that sell upmarket timber/woo
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 04:43:19PM +0530, pavithran wrote:
> On 29 July 2010 16:18, ael wrote:
> >> > shop = trade
> >> > trade=building_supplies|timber_yard|agricultural_supplies|plastics|...
>
> I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
> Is there a restrictions on
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 07:57:40PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 31 July 2010 19:46, ael wrote:
> > I have expanded it a bit to help motivate "trade" for those who haven't
> > seen this thread. Surely "wood" is redundant given "timber_yard"?
>
> There are specialty places that sell upmarket timbe
On 31 July 2010 19:46, ael wrote:
> I have expanded it a bit to help motivate "trade" for those who haven't
> seen this thread. Surely "wood" is redundant given "timber_yard"?
There are specialty places that sell upmarket timber/wood but wouldn't
call themselves a timber_yard...
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 08:03:46PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 26 June 2010 19:24, ael wrote:
> > What about trade? In uk "selling to the trade" implies an outlet which
> > sells to professionals but also does ordinary retail. Admittedly this
> > tends to be used in advertising to attempt to imp
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 4:03 PM, ael wrote:
> Many of these places sell a very wide range of goods, so something like
> building_supplies is sufficiently general to cover such cases.
> Individual tags for every line would not be feasible, even if the
> average mapper could get the information, and
On 7/30/10, ael wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:56:51PM +1000, Steve Bennett wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM, pavithran wrote:
>> > I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
>> > Is there a restrictions on 'keys' can't there be a key called 'trade'
>>
>>
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:56:51PM +1000, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM, pavithran wrote:
> > I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
> > Is there a restrictions on 'keys' can't there be a key called 'trade'
>
> The benefit of shop=* is that
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:13 PM, pavithran wrote:
> I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
> Is there a restrictions on 'keys' can't there be a key called 'trade'
The benefit of shop=* is that renderers can use a generic shop icon.
My suggestion:
shop=trade_suppli
On 29 July 2010 16:18, ael wrote:
>> > shop = trade
>> > trade=building_supplies|timber_yard|agricultural_supplies|plastics|...
I like the trade=* but why call it shop=trade . I doesnt sound good .
Is there a restrictions on 'keys' can't there be a key called 'trade'
?
Regards,
Pavithran
--
p
On 29 July 2010 20:48, ael wrote:
> I had hoped that something better would occur to me or someone else.
> But yes, it seems as good as anything else, so let's go with it.
Someone had made shop=wood, but that didn't seem as good as your suggestion...
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 08:03:46PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 26 June 2010 19:24, ael wrote:
> > What about trade? In uk "selling to the trade" implies an outlet which
> > sells to professionals but also does ordinary retail. Admittedly this
> > tends to be used in advertising to attempt to imp
What about trade? In uk "selling to the trade" implies an outlet which
sells to professionals but also does ordinary retail. Admittedly this
tends to be used in advertising to attempt to impress non-professionals,
but still.
shop = trade
trade=building_supplies|timber_yard|agricultural_supplies|
On 26 June 2010 19:01, ael wrote:
> At least variant carries an implication of a restricted class, but I agree
> that this advantage is marginal.
I have never heard of 'variant' being used in this context before, nor
does it seem to appear in that context in any dictionary I could find.
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 10:49:28AM +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 26 June 2010 08:31, ael wrote:
> > Can someone come up with a better idea. Please :-)
>
> You haven't really explained what was so wrong with shop=supplies,
> considering it's intended to be only used with a subtag giving it
> conte
On 26 June 2010 08:31, ael wrote:
> Can someone come up with a better idea. Please :-)
You haven't really explained what was so wrong with shop=supplies,
considering it's intended to be only used with a subtag giving it
context it seems perfectly fine to me.
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On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 09:42:38PM +1000, Liz wrote:
> > shop=merchant
> > merchant = timber|building-supplies|agricultural|garden|...
> i don't see how shop and merchant are different
> shop has been mostly used to describe retail trade
> we are looking at tags suitable for commercial or industr
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, ael wrote:
> > would be useful. When I have a moment, I will try and come up with
> > something better than yard.
>
> A thesaurus didn't throw up anything compelling. Instead I became
> convinced that the best subtag is actually "merchant".
>
> shop=merchant
> merchant = ti
On 25 June 2010 19:47, ael wrote:
> A thesaurus didn't throw up anything compelling. Instead I became
> convinced that the best subtag is actually "merchant".
How is that better than shop=supplies, all shop keepers are merchants
whom sells supplies (or services)...
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> would be useful. When I have a moment, I will try and come up with
> something better than yard.
A thesaurus didn't throw up anything compelling. Instead I became
convinced that the best subtag is actually "merchant".
shop=merchant
merchant = timber|building-supplies|agricultural|garden|...
On 24 June 2010 14:24, John Smith wrote:
> shop=timber_yard
Timber yad seems apt . though usage of 'yard' is a bit confusing . I
used to wrongly tag all timber yards as shop=furniture .
Regards,
Pavithran
--
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http://look-pavi.blogspot.com
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On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 03:45:22PM +0100, Craig Wallace wrote:
> builder's merchants, or timber yards, or agricultural supplies, or a
> variety of other industries.
> So a tag shop=industrial_supplies can cover all of these, plus an
> appropriate sub-tag to specify what sort.
Yes that is exactly w
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 11:47:24PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 24 June 2010 23:14, ael wrote:
> > Still, I was hoping for a better word than "yard".
>
> What was wrong with Liz's suggestion?
"shop" and "supplies" are synonymous? Since every shop supplies
something, we may as well dispense with
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Craig Wallace wrote:
> Industrial supplies is a more generic term, which can include builder's
> merchants, or timber yards, or agricultural supplies, or a variety of
> other industries.
> So a tag shop=industrial_supplies can cover all of these, plus an
> appropriate sub-ta
On 24/06/2010 15:37, John Smith wrote:
On 25 June 2010 00:34, Craig Wallace wrote:
shop=supplies is meaningless. Every shop "supplies" something.
What about something like shop=industrial_supplies ?
That seems to be a fairly common name for these sorts of places around here.
so we're back to
On 25 June 2010 00:34, Craig Wallace wrote:
> shop=supplies is meaningless. Every shop "supplies" something.
>
> What about something like shop=industrial_supplies ?
> That seems to be a fairly common name for these sorts of places around here.
so we're back to building_supplies, construction_sup
On 24/06/2010 14:47, John Smith wrote:
On 24 June 2010 23:14, ael wrote:
Still, I was hoping for a better word than "yard".
What was wrong with Liz's suggestion?
shop = supplies
supplies =
timber/concrete/building/bricks/landscaping/electrical/plumbing/mechanical/agricultural/metal
shop=
On 24 June 2010 23:14, ael wrote:
> Still, I was hoping for a better word than "yard".
What was wrong with Liz's suggestion?
> shop = supplies
> supplies =
> timber/concrete/building/bricks/landscaping/electrical/plumbing/mechanical/agricultural/metal
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On 24 June 2010 22:50, John F. Eldredge wrote:
> Well, simply saying "yard" implies "land around a residence", but
> "lumber-yard" means the same thing in the USA as it does in the UK.
The suggestion was shop=yard which might merely imply a shop that
sells goods and services for home gardening..
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:21:19PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 24 June 2010 21:43, ael wrote:
> > Does yard have the wrong connotations in the US?
>
> Residential garden?
That was what I was thinking about. But the context of shop=yard should
be enough to signal a different meaning? Unless som
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On 24 June 2010 21:43, ael wrote:
Does yard have the wrong connotations in the US?
Residential garden?
Yes, there is the "residential lawn" context, but "Lumber yard" is common,
but that's the only retail-related usage I can think of off the top of my
head.
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On 24 June 2010 21:43, ael wrote:
> Does yard have the wrong connotations in the US?
Residential garden?
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On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 01:11:50PM +0200, Claudius Henrichs wrote:
> Am 24.06.2010 10:42, ael:
> > So while we are on _Merchant, how should timer merchants be tagged?
> > Would shop=timber-yard be easily understood and useful?
> >
>
> Didn't it spring to your mind that with those two related t
On Thu, 24 Jun 2010, Claudius Henrichs wrote:
> shop = supplies
> supplies =
timber/concrete/building/bricks/landscaping/electrical/plumbing/mechanical/agricultural/metal
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On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 06:54:07PM +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 24 June 2010 18:42, ael wrote:
> Other than that it's common to use underscore than hyphen...
>
> shop=timber_yard
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Indeed: it was just a typo.
ael
Am 24.06.2010 10:42, ael:
> Again in the UK, we have a distinct sort of "outlet" which supplies
> timber. These are generally known as timber merchants and the places
> where they operate are sometimes called timber yards.
>
> These are usually large areas with associated buildings housing
> subst
On 24 June 2010 18:42, ael wrote:
> So while we are on _Merchant, how should timer merchants be tagged?
> Would shop=timber-yard be easily understood and useful?
If schools are an amenity, these sorts of places are shops...
Other than that it's common to use underscore than hyphen...
shop=timbe
Again in the UK, we have a distinct sort of "outlet" which supplies
timber. These are generally known as timber merchants and the places
where they operate are sometimes called timber yards.
These are usually large areas with associated buildings housing
substantial mechanised saws. They are not
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