On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
wrote:
> 2012/5/18 Anthony :
>> The key word there, I think, is *intersections*. A roundabout should
>> be an intersection, not a bunch of separate intersections. If you're
>> going to expand it to the point where you have traffic lights or st
On Sat, 2012-05-19 at 01:51 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2012/5/18 Anthony :
> > The key word there, I think, is *intersections*. A roundabout should
> > be an intersection, not a bunch of separate intersections. If you're
> > going to expand it to the point where you have traffic lights o
2012/5/18 Anthony :
> The key word there, I think, is *intersections*. A roundabout should
> be an intersection, not a bunch of separate intersections. If you're
> going to expand it to the point where you have traffic lights or stop
> signs for people who are already in the "roundabout", it's no
On 18/05/2012 17:31, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote:
Am 18.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Tobias Johansson:
Are we talking about
this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvl-p3eVBeM/Tr8xUuhRYbI/Iho/NJZGrhCH6yk/s400/53242_1431458077448_1562786087_30891073_4275686_o.jpg
If would think this is a Magic Ro
Am 18.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Tobias Johansson :
>> Are we talking about
>> this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvl-p3eVBeM/Tr8xUuhRYbI/Iho/NJZGrhCH6yk/s400/53242_1431458077448_1562786087_30891073_4275686_o.jpg
>>
>> If would think this is a Magic Roundabout.
>>
>
> Thats.. Cool :D sort of
I just thought I would show a special roundabout from my neighborhood
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8110827
Before anyone says this isn't a roundabout check out the sign
http://maps.google.se/maps?hl=sv&ll=57.69702,11.987972&spn=0.001194,0.002411&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=57.697027,11.987767&
2012/5/18 Martin Vonwald :
> Are we talking about
> this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvl-p3eVBeM/Tr8xUuhRYbI/Iho/NJZGrhCH6yk/s400/53242_1431458077448_1562786087_30891073_4275686_o.jpg
>
> If would think this is a Magic Roundabout.
>
Thats.. Cool :D sort of two roundabouts (or traffic circel
Are we talking about
this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvl-p3eVBeM/Tr8xUuhRYbI/Iho/NJZGrhCH6yk/s400/53242_1431458077448_1562786087_30891073_4275686_o.jpg
If would think this is a Magic Roundabout.
Practical and useful tagging of such creations is some kind of art, IMO.
Martin
Am 18.05.20
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/18948794 (Persiaran Sultan
Salahuddin Abdul Aziz Shah, Putrajaya)
This is being referred to by some as "the world's largest roundabout".
Does it qualify, in terms of osm tags?
Seems to be more of a roundabout than many of those New Jersey traffic
circles.
The distinction in the UK is between a roundabout and a gyratory.
Roundabouts can have signals, but they tend to be linked so that it flows,
and if you're going straight ahead, you won't normally stop once you're on
the roundabout. Roundabouts don't generally have buildings in the middle,
or pedest
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Anthony wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
>> junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to
>> enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is
>> such a technicality. And I'm not sure what value
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
> junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to
> enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is
> such a technicality. And I'm not sure what value is added by inventing
> another tag for edge cases tha
2012/5/18 Steve Doerr :
> Thanks. I guess I edited an old version or something? Sorry about that.
Intentions were good. Mistakes happens. No problem :-)
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Thanks. I guess I edited an old version or something? Sorry about that.
On 18/05/2012 14:23, Martin Vonwald wrote:
I reverted to the previous version and added a note about void in case
of elevated roads.
2012/5/18 Martin Vonwald:
Ahm - you completely screwed the article :-S
2012/5/18 Steve D
I reverted to the previous version and added a note about void in case
of elevated roads.
2012/5/18 Martin Vonwald :
> Ahm - you completely screwed the article :-S
>
> 2012/5/18 Steve Doerr :
>> On 18/05/2012 13:45, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We should replace "island" with "island or obst
Ahm - you completely screwed the article :-S
2012/5/18 Steve Doerr :
> On 18/05/2012 13:45, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>
>> We should replace "island" with "island or obstacle" or something to that
>> effect.
>
>
> I've changed it to 'an island or a void'.
On 18/05/2012 13:45, Volker Schmidt wrote:
We should replace "island" with "island or obstacle" or something to
that effect.
I've changed it to 'an island or a void'.
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Correct, Steve.
We should replace "island" with "island or obstacle" or something to that
effect.
Volker
On 18 May 2012 13:00, Steve Doerr wrote:
> On 18/05/2012 10:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
>
>
>-
>
>a roundabout is a road layout where traffic goes around a central
>island. At p
On 18/05/2012 10:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
*
a roundabout is a road layout where traffic goes around a central
island. At present a roundabout needs to be drawn as a circular
way, not as a node.
Actually (and this has been inaccurate in the wiki from the year dot), a
roundabou
Andrew Errington wrote:
> [P2 patches]
> Assuming it is a desirable thing, how do we make it happen?
You'll have to excuse this for being a glib answer but - essentially,
someone needs to write the code.
The ideal situation is if you, or someone else who wants to see the feature,
are sufficiently
>> What I am arriving at is that we need a new node “roundabout” with a
>> mandatory size parameter of some kind. The distinction between the present
>> “mini_roundabout” and a small roundabout would no longer be relevant.
> Actually it would become very relevant: a router for large veicles
> would
2012/5/18 Andrew Errington :
> given to a very specific thing in the UK. What we need is clarification in
> the Wiki and maybe language-specific or country specific terms. For example,
> a list of countries where mini-roundabouts never appear
you can never be sure. They now appear in many count
>
> Actually it would become very relevant: a router for large veicles
> would know that it can use "large" roundabouts and mini-roundabouts,
> but not roundabouts tagged as small.
>
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You have a point there.
So the conclusion needs to be that we need all three categori
On 2012-05-18 at 11:32:32 +0200, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> So, if we look at it from the routing point of view it looks to me that we
> do not need to distinguish between a mini-roundabout and a small
> roundabout, but what we seem to need is a way to indicate the size of the
> roundabout in order to
On Fri, 18 May 2012 16:38:09 Martin Vonwald wrote:
>
> Do you have any suggestion how to change the presets for
> mini-roundabouts? The term "mini-roundabout" is very misleading so we
> need some very good, crystal clear and short description for it. Any
> idea is very welcomed!
I think the term '
On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:06:54 Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Andrew Errington wrote:
> > It's easy to edit the wiki. It's easy for Potlatch and JOSM
> > developers to edit the software to do the Right Thing.
> > How do we make this happen?
>
> I like your "it's easy" statement, and look forward to you
At the risk that we are going in circles on this argument.
Let us try to figure out what the needs are.
What we have (in theory) at present is
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a roundabout is a road layout where traffic goes around a central
island. At present a roundabout needs to be drawn as a circular way, not as
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> The big missing thing here is support for polygon-based
> presets in P2.
...by which I mean "presets that only show up, or that appear differently,
depending on whether your current editing location is within a certain
polygon" - sorry, should have made that clearer.
c
Andrew Errington wrote:
> It's easy to edit the wiki. It's easy for Potlatch and JOSM
> developers to edit the software to do the Right Thing.
> How do we make this happen?
I like your "it's easy" statement, and look forward to you publishing
details of where one can get the 40-hour day which w
Good morning Toby,
You correctly identified a few of our problems.
At first let's have a look on a finding of Andrew Chadwick about the
usage of highway=mini_roundabouts a few days ago:
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So, I know what a mini-roundabout is, and you know what a
mini-roundabout is, and we are in agreement. You have also identified
specific problems with the editing software that guides people to the
wrong conclusion if they don't know what a mini-roundabout is.
It's easy to edit the wiki. It's ea
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Andrew Errington wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Toby Murray wrote:
>> Otherwise we can pontificate all we want on the mailing list but
>> people who are not familiar with the concept of a "real"
>> mini-roundabout WILL still use this tag for "small roun
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Toby Murray wrote:
> Otherwise we can pontificate all we want on the mailing list but
> people who are not familiar with the concept of a "real"
> mini-roundabout WILL still use this tag for "small roundabouts" with
> non-traversable centers. That's just reality. M
Well the last thread just went nuclear so I'm starting a new one.
So I guess here is a summary of my opinion on what seems to be the
major sticking points.
junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to
enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is
such
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