Re: [Tagging] Roads with a postal_code each side

Hi, consider mapping either postal code areas instead, it's what we've done in Germany (and the two area relations will then both include that road as part of their boundary). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'

Re: [Tagging] breads of bakeries

or any other suggestion? Thanks ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

speeds for different regions but AFAIK that isn't used by any of the default profiles. Should the OSM community compile a list of sensible assumptions of "this is how fast you'll go on average on type X highway in country Y"? -- Freder

Re: [Tagging] Highway classification in Antarctica

As long as you don't end up tagging secondary roads up there, just go with tertiary for the important ones and follow down from there. Additionally, should the permanent population be considered I don't think population should come into it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail f

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Deprecating demolished railway tags

page, or at least not without having read and understood the rather long discussion in https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/proposing-to-deprecate-railway-razed-and-railway-dismantled/109679 - else you'll just repeat what has been said there. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## e

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

olatility. The goal would be better served by a (non-OSM) service that automatically collects data from apps that people have installed on their phone and that sends measurements to a server while they are moving around. I don't see this in OSM. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail

Re: [Tagging] shop=gun shop=guns shop=weapons shop=firearms

l a bakery. And highway classification is maybe not the best example, because it is generally agreed that the legal status of a road is not the sole deciding factor when it comes to which highway=* we map it as. A road that is secondary by law but primary in practice, will often be tagged primary.

Re: [Tagging] navigational aid relation

he relation and all? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tag which restaurant or cafe allows bringing your own food or drink?

is at this restaurant would certainly be wrong. And I've never seen a restaurant where they signposted that their policy was that you can bring your own food. Except of course old-style Biergartens in Bavaria. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

always be in an old_name tag though, to avoid a multi-lingual map showing them prominently. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@ope

Re: [Tagging] foreign names for stuff, was: "Mörthe und Mosel"

e that aren't, at least require a clear indication that the name is actually used in everyday language by living beings. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - historic

osed here? On 04.12.22 10:53, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I could swear I had written this as a public message long ago but I cannot find it now. Sorry, then, for the last-minute interruption. I had an issue with the proposal, namely the wording: "This key can be used on every observabl

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - historic

nore it when people complain). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] improve the proposal procedure

l. Keep in mind that the proposal process isn't a one-way street. It can only work as long as for every one proposal there are dozens of people who can read and constructively participate in the development of the proposal. The capacity for new proposals is limited. Bye Frederik -- Fred

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Require proposal announcements to be made on the new forum instead of the mailing list

people to settle in with the new forum first. Nobody keeps anyone from discussing a proposal on the new forum but I don't want to formally make this mailing list irrelevant just yet. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33&

[Tagging] Default access for service=driveway?

that says "access to houses X,Y,Z" without saying that other access is forbidden? 2c. ... if there is a sign that says "private driveway"? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] Fuzzy areas again: should we have them or not?

eone doesn't want that, they need to present a viable alternative". We've come very far in OSM without such abuse and I don't see why it should suddenly be introduced. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _

Re: [Tagging] How to put a name tag on an area with more than one type?

ed to assemble 1000 ways with a total of 20,000 points to exactly describe the outline of the Alps if all you want is a nice big lettering in approximately the right spot), or by keeping these cartography options in a separate system altogether. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede.

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

ir work, rather than trying to solve the conflict. Now, you might smirk and say "let's fix the tools then", but until the tools are fixed - which might take years -, you've made life a hell of a lot harder for anyone editing or quality monitoring in the whole area. And al

Re: [Tagging] coastline v. water

t-coastal-places-live-magazine ;) sorry folks, you're on an inland waterway. Bit like Richmond really! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@ope

Re: [Tagging] Basic cartography features missing, why?

effect of creating giant, unmaintainable polygons. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Update - RFC - Special Economic Zones

administrative boundaries (counties X and Y as well as the city of Z together form the SEZ)? 3. If not, how would you get your hands on the SEZ boundary? 4. In how far is it useful for mappers to modify the SEZ boundary based on their knowledge or aerial imagery? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

Hi, On 10/18/20 23:08, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > And the same applies to brains of people It appears to me that the end game in this is precisely that, to change the brains of people. OSM is just a means to and end in that quest. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail fr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (shop=direct marketing)

nt bakes bread occasionally.) In order to be mapped in OSM, it needs to have a physical manifestation - at the very least, a sign, or more desirably some structure that can be recognised as a shop even while not in use. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00&

Re: [Tagging] Benches and hostile architecture

Hi, On 24.08.20 02:46, Paul Allen wrote: > I'm not seriously suggesting we map them this way but speed bumps are > technically hostile architecture. :) As are cattle grids if you're a cow! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°0

[Tagging] what is the "temp" tag?

erson creating v1 of something" is just the person who split something and if I asked them what they meant by temp=tag they'll probably just shrug. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

counts is whether it "feels like" a coastal city ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

s outlined in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Have our tagging voting rules changed recently?

ays "ah, this is not a valid reason" and strips me of my vote? Who will that person be? Has this been used in other votes in the past? I'm tempted to say it would invalidate any vote but maybe it *is* indeed based on consensus and I missed that. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm #

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

say "don't be too literal, natural=coastline doesn't mean there has to be a coast, it's just for closing ocean polygons" but that doesn't make it better really. Sure, with current ocean drawing technology we need a "coastline" across every river estuary at som

Re: [Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

ine, only changing to a natural=river polygon very far inland - though I haven't researched currents or salinity. Are there other examples of large bays/estuaries? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33&qu

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

the Schengen region than the outer boundary of the EU states. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

and it seems defensible. Anything is, on this mailing list ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Should admin_level=1 tag be applied to EU?

ouldn't be surprised if some helpful soul has meanwhile decided to map "the Atlantic", "the Pacific", or "Eurasia", assembling thousands of little coastline pieces into giant relations in painstaking, week-long work... sigh. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## e

Re: [Tagging] Automated edit of image tags suggestion

tiple > urls. Again, moving valid information into note tags which are free-form human language is the worst idea of all. Parsing a semi-colon should be much easier than parsing a note tag! I am against the edit, and I also find the style of dumping an unformatted wiki

Re: [Tagging] Adding mapillary tags to every building

photos that show a particular building. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Reviving the path discussion - the increasing importance of trails in OSM

tation but I hate Wiki discussions with all my heart and cannot bring myself to read them, much less participate in them. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] insurance health

kickback from every contract they sell. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

then OpenStreetMap or a separate database is actually a smaller question. Simply establishing a tag and hoping that you have to develop and run neither a backend (because OSM will do it) nor a frontend (because people can use Vespucci) is extremely optimistic. Bye Frederik -- Frederi

Re: [Tagging] Rarely verified and third-party data staleness in OpenStreetMap

doesn't give you the same reliability but perhaps it delivers some results without being the massively invasive concept you're proposing. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

ndle the stale data. If we can start seeing the name inflation as a problem, stop adding "more of the same", and develop strategies to deal with stale and possibly incorrect names, that would already be a huge gain! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00&#x

Re: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

understood them but think that there is a desirable value that outweighs my reasons, it would be nice if you could state more explicitly what you perceive that value to be and where *you* would draw the line! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00

[Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags?

detail, just answer the question: tlhIngan Hol - Hlja' or ghobe'? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/bhxsadi-camping-in-the-woods/ directs you to https://www.hilton.com/en/hotels/bhxsadi-doubletree-stratford-upon-avon/...) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

someone is staying in". > Anyway, brb, got to delete https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/312915889 from > the map. Clearly added in an advertising campaign. The business owner hoped to attract more business by creating that node 11 years ago with "addr:housenumber=17". Bye

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

equest that they remove the tracking information, rather than us having to deal with it. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

Hi, On 25.02.20 11:08, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> Since OSM is not the place for marketing, I would in these >> situations remove the whole POI, and not just the tracking >> parameters. > > ¿Que? You'd remove an entire hotel from t

Re: [Tagging] URL tracking parameters

acking parameters is an indication of the author considering OSM to be a "campaign" in some marketing scenario where the success of different "campaigns" is measured. Since OSM is not the place for marketing, I would in these situations remove the whole POI, and not just the

Re: [Tagging] All European Union countries use E5/E10/B7 instead of gasoline 98/95, Diesel 10S respectively

any where I live, "fuel:b7" would be definitely wrong. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] RFC free_water

"fee=no" approach, because if you are charged a dollar for your refill you can simply put "fee=$1". Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Rio de la Plata edit war

org/wiki/Tag:natural=coastline)". I'm not so clear about how to interpret the wiki page myself when it comes to river mouths. There's a clarifying proposal here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/Coastline-River_transit_placement but this is still at the proposal s

Re: [Tagging] Business names in capital letters

in Northern California Inc", at which point I would say they are starting to game our rules, hoping to be put on the map with exactly that name - and I'd reduce the name to "Fred's Bagels", putting the rest in "offical_name" or something. Bye Frederik -- Frederik R

Re: [Tagging] the nature of large-scale paid edits (was Re: Service road)

es not follow the guidelines and this leads to problems, they should be held accountable & their edits are liable to being reverted. Of course one would start with a friendly pointer... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

Re: [Tagging] Deprecating mini_roundabout

be one with a traversable centre. At the same time, I would not expect my satnav to ask me to "turn left" here, but rather to take the nth exit at the roundabout... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

[Tagging] Divided highways, and not so divided highways, one way or two

y=* category to apply to a road) or do you have strict standards and definitions? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Reusable packaging

into that effort of trying to actively represent what products are sold and under what conditions? Do we even have a remote hope of achieving a level of completeness and timeliness that makes this usable? Where does it stop? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49

Re: [Tagging] Open Defecation Areas

" I don't follow that logic. If the 300k inhabitants of my city each use a bus stop 100 times per year, then that means our city has 30 million bus stops? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _

Re: [Tagging] building typology vs usage

thought out/well implemented in OSM and needs clarification. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

exceptional circumstances. It is one of these "you can do it but you should be very sure that you're doing the right thing" kind of things! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___

Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?

| grep "^w" | grep highway= | grep -e " uxybot " -e " uArjanO "| wc -l [==] 100% 7413 (for a sample count of all highways created by users xybot and ArjanO). Bye Frederik -- Frederi

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate access=public (synonym for access=yes)

Hi, On 31.07.19 09:22, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I'd like to deprecate access=public. Can you explain what concrete actions you mean by that? What exactly would you do if everyone said "yeah, go ahaead"? Bye Frderik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49

Re: [Tagging] Are disused=yes and abandoned=yes deprecated by disused:key=value & abandoned:key=value?

ematic then they will understand and not use them; this is far better than telling them "uh-oh you've used a tag that is classified as a type-X tag under section Y of the tag classification regulations, don't do it!" Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.or

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

Hi, On 6/29/19 08:05, "Christian Müller" via Tagging wrote: > The intriguing question is: Please (again!), move this to legal-talk or elsewhere. It has no place on the tagging list. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00&#

Re: [Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

be reading the forum. In my eyes, this plan treats the forum as second-class and is disrespectful to its users. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Ta

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

rhG speaks of 15% for scientific, non-commercial use) > > How many for commercial use? > > > ___ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'

Re: [Tagging] My ban by user Woodpeck = Frederik Ramm

forward that will not lead to lots of complaints to DWG about your work, we can lift the ban on your account and let you continue. But simply letting you continue after a couple days, like we did in the past, has sadly not helped. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.

Re: [Tagging] kerb regulations: moving towards a tagging schema?

vered that somewhere without me noticing. I'm sure practical application will lead to all sorts of questions or follow-on problems but the approach sounds promising. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

[Tagging] Which global OSM mailing list for the "community index"?

on and don't participate further, and a very small number of these 620 answer all the questions. The mailing lists have fewer people participating but those that do are more likely to engage in a bidirectional fashion. It would be interesting to quantify this in a more scientific manner. Bye Fre

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

to avoid a global opponent blocking everything > - propose the depreciation of the old tag Such proposals would need to clear a much higher bar than we currently have. I'm thinking "at least 500 votes of which 75% in favour" or so. You cannot have 15 people decide on such wide-ranging

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation of non-approved values for diplomatic=?

es, where an overwhelming majority has actually decided that this tag should be listed as "deprecated". Claiming something is "deprecated" should never be a silent side-effect of some other vote. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail f

Re: [Tagging] Mismatched tag status

aginfo can be used to determine that; only if there's *some* human factor in it would it even make sense. And it could certainly differ across regions. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

;any tags you like" spirit without documenting it. (Or, if desperately needed, documenting it only on their private user page.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ T

Re: [Tagging] A modest proposal to increase the usefulness of the tagging list

practical limit to idle tag fantasising. Everyone can think of something that doesn't have a tag yet - that is the cheap part... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___

Re: [Tagging] Filter bubbles in OSM

ntribute. So please, if you feel your talent is better applied to other areas of OSM, just do it - that's great. There's no need for a "sour grapes" approach because you found that tagging discussions were not for you. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.or

Re: [Tagging] Filter bubbles in OSM

that demands everyone be welcoming all the time, then we can probably stop discussing anything right away, because the person with the thinnest skin will be the last one left standing. This, however, is leading us far off topic. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ##

Re: [Tagging] solving iD conflict (was: pointlessly inflamatory title)

rators and etiquette guidelines (this depends on each sub-forum, they are not global). Discoverability isn't much better than mailing lists IMHO. In my country (Germany), OSMers are neatly split between forum and mailing list, most using just one or just the other

[Tagging] Stop the large feature madness (was: Tag for a plateau or tableland?)

the right place for that kind of data. Instead, let us find a way of recording such imprecise information outside of OSM's data model, and make it easy to access it e.g. when rendering maps. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Tagging disputed boundaries

f that. Great help. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Dykes

Hi, On 2/22/19 13:29, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> if you map a dyke, ID-editor recently gives a warning that a dyke ought to >> be a closed (circular) line. > > I put this into an id ticket: > https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5933 The bug has been fixed in ID an

Re: [Tagging] start_date variants

kind of way. For OSM, my main concern is that it must remain usable independent of wikidata, and that the OSM community must not be lured into spending their time to further wikidata integration if they don't have that personal interest. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ram

Re: [Tagging] Dykes

Hi, On 22.02.19 12:46, Ulrich Lamm wrote: > if you map a dyke, ID-editor recently gives a warning that a dyke ought to be > a closed (circular) line. I put this into an id ticket: https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/5933 Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remo

Re: [Tagging] transaction parameters for ATMs

in the mean time? I'd say we stick to stuff that is explicitly signposted on the machine - if the machine says what the limit is or what the network is or what currencies it has, then map that, but don't map data gathered by interacting with the machine. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ##

Re: [Tagging] motorcycle:scale

and when challenged in changeset comments, cited the wiki pages they had edited themselves as an authority - ... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Ta

[Tagging] motorcycle:scale

Hi, I noticed today that a wiki page for the rarely used key "motorcycle:scale" had been accidentally created as "Key:motorcycle:scale", and moved it to "Proposed features/motorcycle:scale". I haven't made any further edits to it though. Bye Frederik

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

Hi, on second thought, if the Iberian Peninsula is already a Peninsula, does that invalidate all Peninsula claims on land masses protruding from it, or can there be cascading Peninsulas? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09"

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

of coastline in Spain, you've edited 25 relations spanning half the globe. Granted, it's a technical shortcoming, but while this exists people should respect it. > On a sidenote: the Iberian Peninsula is already mapped in OSM as a > relation, and it is in Version 848 ;-) Must...re

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – natural=peninsula (Was: Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula)

o catalogue everything that technically is a peninsula. I fear that people will otherwise with great diligence and fun tag things like the "Iberian Peninsula" which will not be of any use and just lead to more relation clutter. (Cf. discussion about bays.) Bye Frederik -- Frederik

[Tagging] motorcycle tagging

ut the way in which it was established. Opinions? Should we revert the wiki page to the old version and revert all the motorcycle:* tags that ti-lo changed from old-style to motorcycle:*? Or ask him to run a proper proposal process until $DEADLINE under threat of

Re: [Tagging] A fool with a tool ... Vehicle service tags

ing things back to how you think they should be tagged. This can be discussed here and we can make a change AFTER that, not while. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Mapping disputed boundaries (Version 1.3)

apply the new tagging and give users a chance to get a feel for it before we roll it out world-wide. And yes, we definitely need good comparisons between different proposals, or perhaps a few more different proposals to add to what's already on the table. Your proposal is complex enough alread

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boundary=aboriginal_lands

d yes, there are established things in OSM that would puzzle those archaeolologists, like sac_scale or tracktype. Or maybe how to read a PBF file. But we can't do all of their job for them ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

and not even re-using the nodes would have been unspeakably worse. My argument was that if you can get away with using a single node for labelling, then you don't have to burden all those 1,400 coastline ways with one (or two or three) extra relation memberships and that would be preferable.

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

wanted to solve; (3) the decision they have made will lead to people creating huge polygons that will often break, make coastline editing harder, and have at least one totally made-up edge. And, I have to admit, (4) Frederik has been an utter dick to try and start the discussion by deleting the Both

Re: [Tagging] Using multipolygons to map bays in Alaska

tly tried to add a "sqm" tag to water body nodes for that purpose which I also criticised...). I don't think you are recommending a relation that includes the actual coastline and the label node, but if you do then I am against that because I don't want every coastline to be part

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables

as Andy Townsend said, I'd suggest a serious trial first, and *then* attempts at standardisation, instead of the other way round. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" __

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

ot; lines with a dashed color on a public transport map or so). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (consulate)

ces that you wouldn't even come close enough to determine whether this is a government facility or a diplomatic one. Of course you can always ask the guards but maybe that only makes you suspicious ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail fred

Re: [Tagging] Out of the bars and onto the map: An lgbtq:*=* tagging scheme?

q bar *will* admit straight people (unless they're a hen party maybe). You'd need something like "lgbtq=mainly" - which would still not be exactly what you were looking for since it talks about who goes there in practice, not whom the place tries to attract. Perhaps "lgbtq=designated

[Tagging] Upcoming removal of power=station and power=sub_station in the standard style

e slower but yields a higher-quality result. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Opening hours too long for OSM

hy not write Tobias' original example as H4sIABrJwFsAA/MqzdMNTi2wUvDN1w1OVDA0sDIw0DW0AJLWXF4wueBSmIQRWMIvv0zXN7EIpEkn pFQnJEPHrQhZhY6CoSmYY46qHGEBxBzHgiKgRCXYcmQTjA10oAZYoKpDNsAYRQLNhf7JJQRNBatB NxEiiGIaFwARtRivJAEAAA== then, only takes 179 bytes ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ra

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