Re: [Tagging] Proposal: expanded address tags for US

2012-11-20 Thread David ``Smith''
On Nov 20, 2012 5:42 PM, "Martin Koppenhöfer" wrote: > > > > Am 20/nov/2012 um 08:05 schrieb "David ``Smith''" : > >> That varies by city. In Cleveland, this is true. But in Columbus, 200 North Third Street and 200 South Third Street are t

Re: [Tagging] Stop sign?

2012-11-20 Thread David ``Smith''
On Nov 20, 2012 4:41 PM, "LM_1" wrote: > > Is there any distinction for direction of the sign? > LM_1 It's understood that the sign faces traffic approaching an intersection. If a node with highway=stop is on a way but nowhere near an intersection, or roughly halfway between two intersections, it

Re: [Tagging] Proposal: expanded address tags for US

2012-11-19 Thread David ``Smith''
On Nov 19, 2012 4:52 AM, "Clay Smalley" wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: >> >> To me, the straightforward solution would be: >> >> addr:housenumber = 6345 >> addr:street = W. Euclid Avenue (maybe without the abbreviation) > > To add to that, I would posit that the

Re: [Tagging] Fixed caravan site

2012-11-17 Thread David ``Smith''
On Nov 17, 2012 2:57 PM, "ael" wrote: > > I am a little suprised that josm does not seem to have a preset for > a fixed caravan /mobile home park. Am I missing something? > > All I found on the wiki was the proposal amenity=trailer_park which I > have used for now. That has a rather transatlantic

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread David ``Smith''
On Oct 24, 2012 12:25 AM, "Andrew Errington" wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > > this is why i don't put New York State Reference Route numbers in the > > ref tag, i put them in ref:unsigned which isn't rendered. > > Isn't that simply tagging for the renderer? A

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread David ``Smith''
On Oct 23, 2012 9:32 PM, "Richard Welty" wrote: > by convention, ref tags get rendered on the map I think the main Mapnik rendering does not render ref on highway=*_link, actually. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstre

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread David ``Smith''
If a motorway link is part of a route (one needs to actually drive on the link to continue on the route) then I put the ref for that route on the link. Otherwise, no ref tag. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.or

Re: [Tagging] Narrow Bridge (was: Reconstructing «Dificult passability» proposal to «Obstacle»)

2012-10-13 Thread David ``Smith''
On Oct 13, 2012 5:45 PM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" wrote: > > 2012/10/13 Martin Vonwald (imagic) : > > Am 13.10.2012 um 14:48 schrieb Janko Mihelić : > > > >> I don't like the "lanes" tag where there are no lines on the street, it misses the point. > > > > It completely misses the point! The lanes tag

Re: [Tagging] What is and what isn't a valid type=multipolygon relation for osm ?

2012-10-13 Thread David ``Smith''
On Oct 13, 2012 11:12 AM, "sly (sylvain letuffe)" wrote: > In response to this change on the wiki : > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Relation%3Amultipolygon&action=historysubmit&diff=820392&oldid=797879 I mostly agree with the added text, with the following criticism: it's a very

[Tagging] How to tag railroad named control points?

2012-10-13 Thread David ``Smith''
My employer is a contractor for a few railroads, and through that experience I have gained personal knowlege of several named "control points" for one railroad in particular. A control point typically consists of signals facing both ways, switch tracks to transfer between multiple mainline tracks

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=escape_lane

2012-10-12 Thread David ``Smith''
I agree this should be highway=service, service=escape_lane. Also note, if I'm thinking of the right thing, in the US this is usually called a "runaway truck ramp". This phrase should appear in the feature docuentation somewhere. ___ Tagging mailing lis

Re: [Tagging] Naming boundary ways

2012-10-06 Thread David ``Smith''
On Oct 4, 2012 2:46 AM, "Frederik Ramm" wrote: > On 10/04/12 03:17, A.Pirard.Papou wrote: >> 1) While the A name= of the relation is the name of the area, such as >> London or Wales, the possible B name has nothing to do with the area. >> The B name can be that of a river, of a road, or the border

Re: [Tagging] Animal_shelter, multiple semicolon separated

2012-09-21 Thread David ``Smith''
On Sep 21, 2012 8:11 AM, "Alberto" wrote: > > Ok, how many of you vote to separate tags "amenity=animal_shelter" and > "amenity=animal_boarding"? I want opinions from other countries, not only > from United Kingdom. I'm from the US. To me, "animal shelter" sounds like a temporary home for animal

Re: [Tagging] Announcement: Voting ongoing for proposed access tagging "Conditional restrictions"

2012-09-19 Thread David ``Smith''
On Sep 19, 2012 5:09 AM, "Eckhart Wörner" wrote: > "single tag" is a slight understatement. Just to get the access for an hgv vehicle in Germany right, you have to consider: > access > access:conditional > access:vehicle > access:vehicle:conditional > access:motor_vehicle > access:motor_vehicle:co

Re: [Tagging] access restrictions on ways

2012-09-17 Thread David ``Smith''
Excuse me if I don't understand the situation entirely, but I think the problem is the actual access restriction or enforcement of it is different from a literal reading of the signs. This must be the case if the signs don't give adequate information to completely describe the restriction. In that

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:branch

2012-09-13 Thread David ``Smith''
On Sep 13, 2012 6:54 AM, "Andrew Errington" wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > This is my first proposal for a key that I feel is missing. I have searched, > but I couldn't find anything to suggest it has been rejected before, but I > could be wrong. > > You will find the details here, but is basical

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread David ``Smith''
On Sep 3, 2012 8:57 PM, "Jaakko Helleranta.com" wrote: My 10 years of ESL in English speaking environment would tend to think that you could do this for almost any "X City" -> "voters of the City of X". .. Not true in general. I think the main reason New York gets City appended so often is so as

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread David ``Smith''
Oh yes I forgot to mention: NYC would be name=New York, and maybe tourist_name=New York City. If we have a tag for the full name of the city government, such as City Of New York or Village Of West Jefferson, then so be it, but that doesn't go in name=*.

Re: [Tagging] name of river/admin area

2012-09-03 Thread David ``Smith''
In my part of the US, nearly every river is of the form "the X River" and I would expect to see it that way on maps, leaving out the "the" which is used in forming sentences but not generally considered part of the name. In Michigan there's the River Raisin for some reason, and I would expect to se

Re: [Tagging] "landuse=residential" in rural areas

2012-08-17 Thread David ``Smith''
As others have said, I usually tag the entire parcel, as long as it's not used for farming. I'd somewhat like a way to tag low-density rural residential land-use, but as it is I think the absence of a thick network of residential streets is a decent clue that one isn't looking at a built-up area.

Re: [Tagging] on the name of a tag for landcover

2012-08-15 Thread David ``Smith''
I thought we used natural=* for this kind of thing. For the different broad classes of vegetation discussed so far in this thread, there's natural=grass/scrub/wood. Of course there's natural=water. Other landcover types are uncommon in central Ohio so I'm not familiar with their tagging, but I t

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-14 Thread David ``Smith''
On Aug 14, 2012 8:47 AM, "Pieren" wrote: > > I'm forwarding here the reply from Peter Miller, ITO World: > > An automated approach would involve merging all close tracks and > figuring it out. Not trivial but quite computable in my view. Computable, ye

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-14 Thread David ``Smith''
On Aug 14, 2012 7:48 AM, "Pieren" wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:03 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: > > > A little bit of redundancy is fine if it makes the data significantly easier > > to use, IMO. > > Excepted that ITO map is interpreting th

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-14 Thread David ``Smith''
On Aug 14, 2012 6:43 AM, "Pieren" wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:31 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: > > > tracks=*: number of tracks represented by the way having the tag, as per > > wiki > > total_tracks=*: number of tracks in the right-of-w

Re: [Tagging] Advice & clarification of the railway tracks=* tag required.

2012-08-14 Thread David ``Smith''
Here's how I'd address the concerns in this thread: tracks=*: number of tracks represented by the way having the tag, as per wiki total_tracks=*: number of tracks in the right-of-way of the rail line, regardless of how many parallel ways exist. This sounds more like a tag appropriate for a rail r

Re: [Tagging] Recognizing backward/forward parts of a road

2012-08-06 Thread David ``Smith''
If you're using member roles to distinguish the oneway halves of a route, practice in the US is to use the roles "east" and "west" or "north" and "south" as appropriate (consistent with signage if possible). (I understand some countries don't sign directions this way, so you might have to choose a

Re: [Tagging] Ferry routes, what's the correct approach?

2012-07-31 Thread David ``Smith''
I think access=fee, or access=yes + fee=yes would be appropriate. How do access=fee compare with access=customers in existing usage? (I tried to look it up myself on tagwatch, but my phone didn't like it much) On Jul 31, 2012 5:59 PM, "Georg Feddern" wrote: > Am 31.07.2012 22:50, schrieb LM_1: >

Re: [Tagging] Data redundancy with "ref" tag on ways vs relations

2012-07-30 Thread David ``Smith''
Route relations are good because they offer a structured format to identify and describe a route, such as US Bike Route 25, or Fairfield County Highway 177. Ref tags on ways now are a good place to use shorthand, like USBR 25 or CR 177. When multiple routes overlap, the ref tag on the way is an o

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a trailer_park ?

2012-07-27 Thread David ``Smith''
In the US (context established in first post), "trailer park" nearly always refers to a residential subdivision where people buy small lots, and then place mobile homes on those lots for permanent residence. I would suggest tagging the area with landuse=residential, and possibly some kind of subta

Re: [Tagging] emergency=fire_hydrant and wrenches

2012-07-24 Thread David ``Smith''
Useful to whom? The local fire department should already know, and nobody else should be authorized to open the hydrant anyway — though it seems the biggest reason departments object to unauthorized access is damage caused by using the wrong kind of wrench… _

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-22 Thread David ``Smith''
hilip Barnes" wrote: > On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 11:43 -0400, David ``Smith'' wrote: > > Just contributing another data point on vocabulary… > > > > I am a native English speaker from Ohio, USA. I have been aware of > > the term "potable" for many year

Re: [Tagging] drinkable vs. drinking_water

2012-07-21 Thread David ``Smith''
Just contributing another data point on vocabulary… I am a native English speaker from Ohio, USA. I have been aware of the term "potable" for many years, probably since asking what it meant after seeing a water source labeled "non-potable". I have seen that warning on taps in public parks, and o

Re: [Tagging] Tagging split exit ramps

2011-05-21 Thread David ``Smith''
nts you to take. This would also make it easier to tag exits that split off of exit ramps which have their own destination not even signed on the "parent" ramp, and make it likely that routing engines would make sensible directions in such cases. (Example in Columbus, good directions from the

Re: [Tagging] sidewalks

2010-08-26 Thread David ``Smith''
tructions generated by a blind-navigation program, particularly when based on data with streets and sidewalks separated, should almost certainly include instructions like "Cross Drury Lane". -- David "Smith" a.k.a. Vid the Kid a.k.a. Bír'd'in Does this fo

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread David ``Smith''
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:39 PM, David ``Smith'' > wrote: >> >> Add to that >> grade_separated=* and you would indeed describe what is physically a >> freeway/motorway. > > What's the point o

[Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread David ``Smith''
=* and you would indeed describe what is physically a freeway/motorway. Except there's no wiki page for that tag. Is it an approved feature? Is it commonly used? -- David "Smith" a.k.a. Vid the Kid a.k.a. Bír'd'in Does this font make me look fat? _

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-16 Thread David ``Smith''
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Bill Ricker wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:32 AM, David ``Smith'' wrote: >>  You might be thinking, "what's an expressway?"  The >> short answer is, it's just like a freeway/motorway but with at-grade >> i

Re: [Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-14 Thread David ``Smith''
> From: John Smith > On 14 July 2010 14:32, David ``Smith'' wrote: >> motorways!"  This proposal is about separating form from function, >> opening the possibility for things like "trunk motorways" and > > Erm we can already do this: > &

[Tagging] RFC on two proposals: Motorway indication; Expressway indication

2010-07-13 Thread David ``Smith''
e a freeway/motorway but with at-grade intersections. There's more detail in the proposals and referenced wiki pages. -- David "Smith" a.k.a. Vid the Kid a.k.a. Bír'd'in Does this font make me look fat? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging