Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> ...the centre of Paris in a Nolliplan: http://www.iad > bs.de/site/assets/files/1954/schwarzplan.jpg > All the areas where the streets widen significantly at junctions with other > streets are likely squares (you can’t see the smaller ones in this scale). > The surrounding buildings will ofte

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
"Here’s an example of a square in Berlin in a residential early 20th century area:" Is this mapped as a leisure=park in Openstreetmap? If so, then I don't see any need to also map the same area as a square. > I would still count them in, or we will end up splitting hair about how much > of a squ

Re: [Tagging] Clearer definition of tunnel ...

2020-03-23 Thread Michael Patrick
> To me a tunnel is different from a pipeline in regard of structure and building technique. Of course, we also have to consider pipelines inside of tunnels ( Thttps:// img.russianpatents.com/1165/11654510-o.jpg ) and cryogenic transmission lines which have pipelines inside of pipelines inside of

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> Place=square was defined until 3 days ago as “a > named square” and “a town or village square which is an open space common in > urban centres, typically crossed by streets but can also be a pedestrian > area or more rarely green areas.” > > I am perfectly fine with this documented definition Bu

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Mar 2020, at 23:03, Greg Troxel wrote: > > (seriously, New York > is not part of New England) pardon my ignorance ;-) > >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/474864229 > > does not use sqaure in the name and is not place=square. it looks like a square on the

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Mar 2020, at 20:07, Paul Allen wrote: > > Actually, I think that "You can't tag something > because I don't see a need for it" is not a very good idea, but apparently > some people think otherwise. This is not what was written. I wrote if you don’t have the things

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Mar 2020, at 20:07, Paul Allen wrote: > > But it has been documented, interpreted and used (by people other > than yourself) to mean the public place you do not want it to mean. Have a look at the history. Place=square was defined until 3 days ago as “a named squa

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 23. Mar 2020, at 15:07, Joseph Eisenberg > In Indonesia an "alun-alun" is never small, they are always rather > large to very large open areas. so these are likely not the only kind of squares in Indonesia (if you decide they are squares at all, or some of them), there

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Martin, What would you proposed as the description= (in the Infobox) for place=square? What changes do you propose to the current text of the page to improve the definition? -- Joseph Eisenberg On 3/24/20, Greg Troxel wrote: > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > >> Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 18:47 Uh

Re: [Tagging] Shelter for bats in an old building

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 21. Mar 2020, at 14:26, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > I guess it depends on what state the building is in, eg if it's been gutted > and in need of a lot of maintenance to be a functional service building then > I'd probably still use the lifecycle prefix. judging by the l

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 18:47 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > >> We need it for en_US, too, because in the US, at least in New England, >> everybody knows what Square means and it is different from what this >> thread is discussing. > > Think about pre-60ies urbanism. A

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 18:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 01:39 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < > joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > >> > A blanket rule that anything with "Square" in the name must be mapped as >> place=square is as defective as one saying that anything with

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 18:47 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > We need it for en_US, too, because in the US, at least in New England, > everybody knows what Square means and it is different from what this > thread is discussing. Think about pre-60ies urbanism. And "new urbanism", for example. Here

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 01:39 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > > A blanket rule that anything with "Square" in the name must be mapped as > place=square is as defective as one saying that anything with > "Maes" in the name must be mapped as a field. > > Right, and it

Re: [Tagging] Addresses with PO Box, and other delivery type addresses.

2020-03-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Tobias Wrede writes: > It seems I have a different understanding of the concept PO > box. Around here if you have a PO box mail is delivered there and you > go yourself pick it up, convenient for people who are rarely at home > or get huge amounts of mail. In more rural areas I have seen letter >

Re: [Tagging] Updating definition and description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Greg Troxel
Joseph Eisenberg writes: > That is why we need an actual definition of place=square that isn't > simply "a town square", because I need to be able to translate it into > Indonesia, for people who have never seen a European town square. I > suspect that Japanese and Korean will have the same probl

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread António Madeira via Tagging
Although in Portugal squares are very well defined, either from their physical significance or from their name, this is surely not the case in every country. Maybe one of their main common characteristics is that they're open urban areas, a point of confluence where people can gather for social or

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Volker Schmidt
Please leave the description vague. Every one of us will be able to come up with a list of "squares" that don't fulfil the criteria we will define. They often have the role of landmarks for the population, long after the original square (as empty space for the people) has disappeared. Or maybe a c

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
> reads "A town or village square: a hardscaped open public space, generally > of architectural significance, which is surrounded by buildings in a > built-up area such as a city, town or village." > > While I do not object that this is describing a part of all squares, I do > object that these are

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 09:44, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > From photos it is hard to judge these, because you would usually need to > see the context in order to understand whether these are just parks or > parks on squares. I also notice that these are all huge. Try to think of > small squares

Re: [Tagging] Number of route relation errors very much reduced

2020-03-23 Thread Peter Elderson
Id-users do not break the routes as often as they used to. Assuming the users did not change overnight, I guess the ID-release caused that. Other online editors I seldom encountered when looking at a break, but I would be haoppy to give them credit for some of the errors! Josm caused few errors, an

Re: [Tagging] Number of route relation errors very much reduced

2020-03-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/03/2020 10:38, Peter Elderson wrote: I am very happy to report that my current check finds very few integrity errors, and the few I see are not caused by using a specific editing tool. Compliments to the "ID-people", you have done it! Great! This does not mean ID is now a good rout

[Tagging] Number of route relation errors very much reduced

2020-03-23 Thread Peter Elderson
I do regular integrity checks of long distance route relations in Nederland. I used to find dozens of errors in each trail. These trails are 200-400 Km long (10-20 days). The errors were typically caused by users not repairing the routes after cutting, deleting, extending or otherwise editing ways.

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 09:56 Uhr schrieb Lionel Giard < lionel.gi...@gmail.com>: > My only problem with "fixing unnamed place=square" is that i know at least > 2 locations where the village center open area is definitely a place=square > (i.e. an open area with some car parks, and open just in f

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 23. März 2020 um 06:26 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > "Praça ou largo: Praça, praceta ou largo: espaço numa zona urbana, > normalmente sem edifícios (apenas a volta desta), que constitui um > espaço público aberto" > > This translates back to English as (appr

Re: [Tagging] Please fix unnamed square tagging / was: ... description of place=square

2020-03-23 Thread Lionel Giard
My only problem with "fixing unnamed place=square" is that i know at least 2 locations where the village center open area is definitely a place=square (i.e. an open area with some car parks, and open just in front of the church that was historically the place for gathering people but also cattle (a