Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-10 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 21:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > or in other words if highway=primary always means a=x and b=y then all you > would have to add to the scheme is c=z/w as a qualifier for > highway=primary, no need for a completely new system > That's true. But I was simplifying. A

Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?

2019-08-10 Thread Dave Swarthout
The Facebook team did employ some sort of AI to assist in the identification of highways but it wasn't always right. And the mappers they employed didn't know OSM very well. We met with them several times to offer advice and hints but some of the more active mappers in Thailand are still railing ab

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2019, at 19:34, Paul Allen wrote: > > So > you might say that highway=primary automatically becomes a=x + b=y + c=z > but that implies that a highway=primary might actually be a=x + b=y + c=w. > So it is necessary to remap.everything in order to check whether the

Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?

2019-08-10 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 17:27, Dave Swarthout wrote: > The decision to use the import=yes tag wasn't mine nor that of other > experienced Thailand mappers. The Facebook crew "invented" this use, for > whatever internal reason(s)of their own and we local mappers simply went > along with it because

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-10 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 17:27, Julien djakk wrote: > > The "old" highway tag can give default values to the 5 new tags, so it > is not necessary to re-map everything :) > If it is a guaranteed 1:1 relationship then there is no point doing it. Maybe if the semantics became clearer (like migrating

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-10 Thread Julien djakk
Hello Paul ! The "old" highway tag can give default values to the 5 new tags, so it is not necessary to re-map everything :) Yes you are absolutely right : I need my own renderer to populate the new tags. I was thinking about putting anything (roads, summits, footways, towns, trees …) with import

Re: [Tagging] Use of tag "import=yes" on objects, not changesets?

2019-08-10 Thread Dave Swarthout
The decision to use the import=yes tag wasn't mine nor that of other experienced Thailand mappers. The Facebook crew "invented" this use, for whatever internal reason(s)of their own and we local mappers simply went along with it because we were desperate for a method with which to check their work.

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Elderson
OT "If we were to redesign the human body from scratch it wouldn't have a recurrent laryngeal nerve, the epididymus would take a different route and the eyes wouldn't be wired backwards,..." ...and we would be born with wheels, wings and wifi... Fr gr Peter Elderson > > ___

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 15:32, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Paul, thank you for clarifying the situation in England, as much as it > can be clarified. > As with OSM tagging, it evolved. So we have things that are not ideal simply because of historical accident. If the UK were to come up with an al

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Paul, thank you for clarifying the situation in England, as much as it can be clarified. Fortunately, our situation in eastern Indonesia is much simpler: most roads have no official classification, and most towns and villages only have one or two significant road connections to the rest of the isl

Re: [Tagging] Fruit stands and shops selling fresh fruits?

2019-08-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 10. Aug 2019, at 14:23, Paul Allen wrote: > > except > for the problem that vending=* doesn't really mean that in OSM but is used in > conjunction with vending machines. vending means exactly this in OpenStreetMap: what a thing sells. It is mainly used with vending ma

Re: [Tagging] Fruit stands and shops selling fresh fruits?

2019-08-10 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 12:38, marc marc wrote: > Le 10.08.19 à 07:24, Warin a écrit : > > the key produce=* could be used to detail what was sold > > a shop produce nothing. better to use vending=* > In English "produce" as a verb has a different meaning to "produce" as a noun (and are pronounce

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 09:27, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: However, in England where the tag originated, highway=trunk is used for the > main, > non-motorway highways in the country. > Erm, no. It's not like that. Almost, but not quite. There are A roads (known in OSM as primary routes) which are

Re: [Tagging] Fruit stands and shops selling fresh fruits?

2019-08-10 Thread marc marc
Le 10.08.19 à 07:24, Warin a écrit : > the key produce=* could be used to detail what was sold a shop produce nothing. better to use vending=* ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-10 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 11:42, Julien djakk wrote: > > Classifying roads should be the same all over the world ! :O > In an ideal OSM, tagging ANYTHING should be the same all over the world. Sadly, people sometimes insist on fitting square pegs into round holes instead of coming up with a new val

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Peter Elderson
Good luck with that! Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 10 aug. 2019 om 11:59 heeft Julien djakk het > volgende geschreven: > > Hello ! > > I've been thinking about this for a long time. > > Classifying roads should be the same all over the world ! :O > > The highway tag shuffles administration grade

Re: [Tagging] Road hierarchy

2019-08-10 Thread Julien djakk
Hello ! I've been thinking about road hierarchy in OSM for a long time. Classifying roads should be the same all over the world ! :O The highway tag shuffles administration grade (in England for example or for motorways), physical characteristics / abutters (example : residential, motorway), acc

Re: [Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Julien djakk
Hello ! I've been thinking about this for a long time. Classifying roads should be the same all over the world ! :O The highway tag shuffles administration grade (in England for example or for motorways), physical characteristics / abutters (example : residential, motorway), access, and importan

[Tagging] Classifying roads from Trunk to Tertiary and Unclassified

2019-08-10 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
We recently discussed the confusion about unclassified vs residential recently, but a more significant issue is that different countries and regions have a wide variety of practices about assigning the major highway classes, especially trunk and primary. In some countries, including parts of Europ