Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Warin
On 10/07/19 00:42, Andy Townsend wrote: On 09/07/2019 15:27, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 15:10, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2019, at 15:57, Paul Allen mailto:pla16...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Where an obje

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread Warin
On 10/07/19 06:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 9. Jul 2019, at 17:42, Tobias Zwick wrote: I always thought that there is no norm for standard sizes of windows there are standard sizes. In Germany the base grid measure for masonry is 12,5cm (based on one standard brick

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Tag:waterway=tidal_channel

2019-07-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
5 approval votes so far, none in opposition yet. I will be off the grid for the next week, but keep voting and I’ll respond to any comments next Thursday. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:waterway%3Dtidal_channel#Voting On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 1:31 PM Joseph Eisenberg wro

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Brad, re: https://www.dropbox.com/s/agj4njek1r35vnz/2018-10-03-13.06.54r.jpg?dl=0 This shows a track that cuts across a scree slope or alluvial fan of small boulders, cobbled and sand which appears to be eroded from the ridge above, in a mostly dry climate. It’s quite bumpy so a low-clearance sed

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread brad
I'm not sure what you mean by misleading.    The image I linked on jul 6 could be tagged as grade3 , It's mostly solid.    Is that misleading?    But you need 4 wheel drive, or an off road capable motorcycle to drive it.     Also look at the photos on the smoothness page.   None of them are sof

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2019, at 17:42, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > I always thought that there is no norm for standard sizes of windows there are standard sizes. In Germany the base grid measure for masonry is 12,5cm (based on one standard brick 24x11.5x7.1cm (Normalformat)), openings ar

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread ael via Tagging
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:11:15PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > 8 lip 2019, 03:22 od bradha...@fastmail.com: > > > wiki page > Can you link image of track > on rock/rocky surface where tagging  > it as grade1, grade2, grade3 would > be misleading? The existing grades seem to be UK-centric

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread ael via Tagging
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 05:42:56PM +0200, Tobias Zwick wrote: > I always thought that there is no norm for standard sizes of windows, so > every window is made to measure. That's what several local companies do in my area of the UK. They cater mainly for the trade, but also for DIY. Pretty well e

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 19:19, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Oh, and at the other end of the spectrum, this one is also a grade2 > (compacted mixed gravel and fines), two lanes wide and smooth as a > baby's arse. I saw people riding racing bikes on it. > Are you suggesting we add smoothness=babys_arse?

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:18 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > Oh, and at the other end of the spectrum, this one is also a grade2 > (compacted mixed gravel and fines), two lanes wide and smooth as a > baby's arse. I saw people riding racing bikes on it. Some idiot didn't paste the link. https://www.flickr.

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 2:07 PM Kevin Kenny wrote: > I'd have an easier time driving this grade5 (at least if that deadfall > were cleared) https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/14061129423 > (basically the natural surface, just brush clearance) or this grade4 > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9tv/14

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:12 PM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Can you link image of track > on rock/rocky surface where tagging > it as grade1, grade2, grade3 would > be misleading? I'd have an easier time driving this grade5 (at least if that deadfall were cleared) https://www.flickr.com/photos/ke9t

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
8 lip 2019, 03:22 od bradha...@fastmail.com: > wiki page Can you link image of track on rock/rocky surface where tagging  it as grade1, grade2, grade3 would be misleading? It at least should be documented at the tracktype wiki page. It would be nice to have image on an  open license to be able

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:04 PM Paul Allen wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 16:44, Tobias Zwick wrote: >> >> I always thought that there is no norm for standard sizes of windows, so >> every window is made to measure. (And in case of a larger construction >> project, then 1000s of windows are m

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
9 lip 2019, 18:12 od rich...@systemed.net: > 80% of the time surface= is all you need. We could do with more and better > documented values for it, especially for clarity around gravel. I could see > some virtue in another tag to be used _only_ when surface= is also present, > documenting how well

Re: [Tagging] track smoothness/quality

2019-07-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
brad wrote: > I see tracktype as redundant with Surface, also very subjective, and > not useful.   Smoothness is very useful. smoothness= is a horrible tag, please don't use it. As a data consumer (for cycle.travel), I probably do more detailed parsing of surface and related tags than any other

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 16:44, Tobias Zwick wrote: > I always thought that there is no norm for standard sizes of windows, so > every window is made to measure. (And in case of a larger construction > project, then 1000s of windows are made with the same measure) > Is this not true after all? > A

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread MARLIN LUKE
Thanks everyone for the input. I've noted that "removed:" could be interesting in specific cases, however considering where this one is (and it's removal date!), I deleted it. De : Mateusz Konieczny Envoyé : mardi 9 juillet 2019 17:23 Cc : Tag discussion, strateg

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread Tobias Zwick
I always thought that there is no norm for standard sizes of windows, so every window is made to measure. (And in case of a larger construction project, then 1000s of windows are made with the same measure) Is this not true after all? Tobias On July 9, 2019 4:54:59 PM GMT+02:00, ael via Taggin

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
9 lip 2019, 16:27 od pla16...@gmail.com: > Not really.  They don't get rendered (on standard carto).  So they don't help > anyone orient > themselves.  > OSM Carto is not a sole map style. > As with disused: and abandoned:, the only real purpose is to prevent mappers > re-instating the > obje

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Dave F via Tagging
On 09/07/2019 14:04, MARLIN LUKE wrote: Hi, I've read in the wiki (and on this list) that it's best to avoid loosing history. This refers to the edit history of an object ie How many times it's been amended, by whom, & what got changed. I have an ATM mapped in a street which does not exis

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
9 lip 2019, 17:00 od pla16...@gmail.com: > I prefer landuse=quarry + disused=yes to disused:landuse=quarry.  A working > quarry observed > on a Sunday may be difficult to distinguish from a disused quarry.  Tagging > for the renderer > or choosing between valid alternative tagging schemes?  I

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2019, at 17:00, Paul Allen wrote: > > on UK maps in general to render, or at least label, disused quarries. > Because they're holes in > the ground, can present hazards, and may be of use for navigation. So in > this particular case > I prefer landuse=quarry +

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 09.07.19 15:04, MARLIN LUKE wrote: > I have an ATM mapped in a street which does not exist anymore > (apparently since 2014). Historic features should not be mapped in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_historic_events_and_historic_features Therefore, an object

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 15:43, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 09/07/2019 15:27, Paul Allen wrote: > > Not really. They don't get rendered (on standard carto). > > ... but depending on the feature, they may do elsewhere. > Indeed. That's why I added the proviso about standard carto. OpenRailwayMap ren

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread ael via Tagging
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 04:03:35PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > like in only selling, not fitting/mounting them? Not offering to replace the > glass, etc.? Can you go there to buy a window, and take it away, or will you > order a window or maybe the whole facade which will then be produ

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Andy Townsend
On 09/07/2019 15:27, Paul Allen wrote: On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 15:10, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2019, at 15:57, Paul Allen mailto:pla16...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Where an object is no longer physically present, such

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 15:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > sent from a phone > > > On 9. Jul 2019, at 15:57, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > Where an object is no longer physically present, such as a telephone > booth that has > > been removed, then removed:amenity=telephone. > > while disused and ab

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2019, at 15:57, Paul Allen wrote: > > Where an object is no longer physically present, such as a telephone booth > that has > been removed, then removed:amenity=telephone. while disused and abandoned features make sense and can be observed, may help for orient

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2019, at 15:47, marc marc wrote: > > but howto tag a shop that sell windows build/made elsewhere ? like in only selling, not fitting/mounting them? Not offering to replace the glass, etc.? Can you go there to buy a window, and take it away, or will you order a

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 at 14:11, marc marc wrote: > > some prefix all tag with was: or similar > it allows the next contributor who sees it in a photo to avoid making > the mistake of adding the object you deleted > I've used was for things that are still there but have changed their functionality.

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread Andy Townsend
On 09/07/2019 14:47, marc marc wrote: Hello, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwindow https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwindows "deprecated. The recommended replacement is: tag:craft=window_construction" but howto tag a shop that sell windows build/made elsewhere ? iho

[Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-09 Thread marc marc
Hello, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwindow https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dwindows "deprecated. The recommended replacement is: tag:craft=window_construction" but howto tag a shop that sell windows build/made elsewhere ? iho craft is only for the place where somet

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Jul 2019, at 15:04, MARLIN LUKE wrote: > > Should I: > -Remove the tag and keep a blank point? (triggers a message on iD, I'm not > even sure I can save the changes) > -Remove the point altogether and lose the history? > -Another solution? if the node is not used b

Re: [Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread marc marc
Le 09.07.19 à 15:04, MARLIN LUKE a écrit : > I've read in the wiki (and on this list) that it's best to avoid loosing > history. the usecase is when a poi change his name : don't delete+create an new the poi, but update the name > -Remove the tag and keep a blank point? no. > -Remove the point

[Tagging] Removing an ATM

2019-07-09 Thread MARLIN LUKE
Hi, I've read in the wiki (and on this list) that it's best to avoid loosing history. I have an ATM mapped in a street which does not exist anymore (apparently since 2014). Should I: -Remove the tag and keep a blank point? (triggers a message on iD, I'm not even sure I can save the changes) -R