Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-19 0:38 GMT+02:00 Tobias Knerr : > For example, I consider it problematic to duplicate the functionality of > the image key by allowing links to individual images. And I guess there > will be different opinions whether a wikidata link should always replace > commons links or whether they s

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

Hi John, yes i would like to bring that to vote.It is an attempt to unify the tagging for this purpose. I just changed the status to proposed and set a voting date. Best regards, Heiko Am 19.08.2014 01:18, schrieb John Packer: > Heiko, > > You added the key naturism=* to the proposa

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

Naturism is the preferred term for nudism, as naturist is the preferred term for a nudist. Nudust/nudism are not normally used terms for clubs or beaches. The proposal should be changed to Naturism. Phil (trigpoint ) On Tue Aug 19 2014 00:18:04 GMT+0100 (BST), John Packer wrote: > Heiko, > >

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

In The Netherlands we more or less have agreement on this scheme for tagging cycleways, cycle streets. I've also noticed this is totally different from the schemes used in Germany and other countries. During the discussion on the pr

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

Heiko, You added the key naturism=* to the proposal. Is this also being voted on, or is the proposal just mentioning there are some uses of this other key ? 2014-08-18 20:08 GMT-03:00 Heiko Wöhrle : > Hi everybody, > > i'd like to readdress an old draft from Xan, that has never been voted but

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

On 18 August 2014 23:38, Tobias Knerr wrote: > The key itself is probably relatively uncontroversial, but the details > need some discussion. I guess that's why we use a wiki, not tablets of stone. Be my guest. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___

[Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - nudism

Hi everybody, i'd like to readdress an old draft from Xan, that has never been voted but is nevertheless in use. Please feel free to comment the slightly changed proposal: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Nudism Best regards, Heiko _

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

> > For example, I consider it problematic to duplicate the functionality of > the image key by allowing links to individual images. And I guess there > will be different opinions whether a wikidata link should always replace > commons links or whether they should coexist. +1 2014-08-18 19:38 GMT

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

On 18.08.2014 23:57, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Is there significant opposition, that means this might not be used? The key itself is probably relatively uncontroversial, but the details need some discussion. For example, I consider it problematic to duplicate the functionality of the image key by all

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

Andy, Usually there is no problem in creating a page documented the key or tag you want to use. I don't think this case is an exception. The only thing is that a key/tag documented without a proposal is more likely to have a future merge/redefinition/deprecation/etc. 2014-08-18 18:57 GMT-03:00

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

On 18 August 2014 22:00, Janko Mihelić wrote: > Commons is getting its own Wikibase installation, in addition to being > present in Wikidata. So every photograph, video or audio is going to have > it's own Commons Wikibase ID, with structured properties about that item. > Each category will proba

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

On 18 August 2014 13:43, fly wrote: > Please, move it under the proposal name space. To what end? Is there a counter proposal that means this might not be used? Is there significant opposition, that means this might not be used? Or is this just needless bureaucracy? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsont

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

fly wrote on 18.08.2014 17:40: > Am 18.08.2014 16:29, schrieb Dan S: >> I intuitively re-used the addr:interpolation tag, but applied it to a >> single object. For example we might have this on a single node or a >> building: >> addr:housenumber=100-126 >> addr:interpolation=even >> addr:stre

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

> Some automatically evaluations to find tags with low numbers under main > name space would be useful, as I find these kind of page quite often and it > would ease administration. > I think that's the closest to what you want: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/taginfo/apidoc#api_4_keys_all 2014-0

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

Commons is getting its own Wikibase installation, in addition to being present in Wikidata. So every photograph, video or audio is going to have it's own Commons Wikibase ID, with structured properties about that item. Each category will probably have it's own ID as well. The problem is, this won't

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-18 22:45 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt : > You mean the British legal definition of cycleway. > > Just to ad another bit of legal aspects in this. In Italy, on ways signed > like like this > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:120px-Zeichen_240.svg.png, the > pedestran has priority over he

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

You mean the British legal definition of cycleway. Just to ad another bit of legal aspects in this. In Italy, on ways signed like like this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:120px-Zeichen_240.svg.png, the pedestran has priority over he cyclist. On 18 August 2014 22:00, SomeoneElse wrote:

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

What happens when the same entrance has two housenumbers, each from its own street? I'm sure this exists somewhere. 2014-08-18 21:29 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 16:04, fly > ha scritto: > > > > I propose to deprecate "comma" and use "semi-colon" inste

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

On 18/08/2014 20:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Another point was that ways with signs like this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:120px-Zeichen_240.svg.png http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/a/aa/120px-Zeichen_241.svg.png are neither cycleways nor footways, they are both at the same

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

> Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 19:00, Richard Fairhurst > ha scritto: > > Of course, this is yet more nonsense that only exists because of the > accursed 'highway=path' tag. > > The first scenario can simply be tagged 'highway=cycleway' and the second > one 'highway=footway, bicycle=yes'.

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

> Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 16:04, fly ha > scritto: > > I propose to deprecate "comma" and use "semi-colon" instead to harmonize > our data structure and allow QA software to find problematic values. +1 Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing li

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

Am 18.08.2014 19:00, schrieb Richard Fairhurst: > Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> bicycle=designated is widely used but it not well defined. > > I didn't understand bicycle=designated until I visited Germany for the first > time earlier this year. Now I realise why it's used... though I still > strong

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > bicycle=designated is widely used but it not well defined. I didn't understand bicycle=designated until I visited Germany for the first time earlier this year. Now I realise why it's used... though I still strongly disagree with it. bicycle=designated exists so that (Ge

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

Am 18.08.2014 16:29, schrieb Dan S: > Hi taggers, > > When mapping recently, I encountered many addresses which contain > multiple housenumbers behind single entrances. I've used interpolation > before, and used it in the "traditional" sense to map a range along a > row of houses. But here we have

Re: [Tagging] Mapping cave tunnels passable by human

I'm afraid that the main problem here is not the use "location" or "layer" or "cave" but "highway=path". This tag was created for multiple vehicles ways, not exclusive to a transportation like footways or cycleways. Currently the wiki tries to reflect this in the "path" definition: "A route open t

Re: [Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

Maybe the cleanest solution is the proposed node relation: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Node Although that wouldn't give the entrance an attribute with all those addresses, it would just pile the addresses on top of the entrance. I'm not sure. Interpolation tag sounds ha

[Tagging] interpolated housenumbers on single objects

Hi taggers, When mapping recently, I encountered many addresses which contain multiple housenumbers behind single entrances. I've used interpolation before, and used it in the "traditional" sense to map a range along a row of houses. But here we have an interpolated range on a single object, not s

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

2014-08-18 15:04 GMT+01:00 fly : > Hey > > On the English wiki page [1] "comma" is the proposed separator for > several values of addr:housenumber. > > This contradicts our rule of using "semi-colon" as separator of values > and I do not have a clue why. Probably led by what users are already doin

Re: [Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

I believe comma is used instead of semi-colon because the key addr:housenumber frequently gets rendered, and comma is the common separator symbol for end users. 2014-08-18 11:04 GMT-03:00 fly : > Hey > > On the English wiki page [1] "comma" is the proposed separator for > several values of addr:

[Tagging] separator for addr:housenumber=*

Hey On the English wiki page [1] "comma" is the proposed separator for several values of addr:housenumber. This contradicts our rule of using "semi-colon" as separator of values and I do not have a clue why. I propose to deprecate "comma" and use "semi-colon" instead to harmonize our data struct

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

On 18.08.2014 15:33, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > For example according to > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated > bicycle=designated may be tagged > on "suggested route", in general conditions are unclear and really > inclusive. I believe that part of the "designated" wiki pa

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

Am 18.08.2014 15:42, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > > > > 2014-08-18 15:36 GMT+02:00 Andre Engels >: > > > 1) official cycleway > highway=cycleway > > > What about something that is both footway and cyleway (segregated or not > segregated)? highway=path f

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

On 8/18/14 9:42 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > 2014-08-18 15:36 GMT+02:00 Andre Engels >: > > > 1) official cycleway > highway=cycleway > > > What about something that is both footway and cyleway (segregated or > not segregated)? > these are common aroun

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-18 15:36 GMT+02:00 Andre Engels : > > 1) official cycleway > highway=cycleway > What about something that is both footway and cyleway (segregated or not segregated)? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

Am 18.08.2014 15:36, schrieb Andre Engels: > I myself, and I think more Dutch mappers, are using bicycle=designated > (along with highway=residential or perhaps highway=unclassified) for a > so called "fietsstraat" ("cyclestreet"). It's a road that has been set > up for bicycles, but has access for

Re: [Tagging] horse=designated for recommend routes?

2014-08-12 3:06 GMT+02:00 fly : > Am 11.08.2014 13:44, schrieb Simon Poole: > > > > Unluckily http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated > > includes > > > > "or may be just a suggested route (e.g. bicycles can in most > > jurisdictions ride on any street, but some particular stree

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

I myself, and I think more Dutch mappers, are using bicycle=designated (along with highway=residential or perhaps highway=unclassified) for a so called "fietsstraat" ("cyclestreet"). It's a road that has been set up for bicycles, but has access for all road users. Often they have a board like http

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

On 8/18/14 9:20 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > So how one should tag in following situations? > > 1) official cycleway > > bicycle=designated or official > This implies in many countries the obligation to use the cycleway if > running parallel to a road official is not in the wiki here: http

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

2014-08-18 15:20 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt : > I) redefining =designated to the definition of =official >> > I thought they are already eqivalent > There are differences. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Dofficial and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated Fo

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

Am 18.08.2014 14:38, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > bicycle=designated is widely used but it not well defined. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:bicycle%3Ddesignated&redirect=no > is just redirect, to page that describes hopelessly inclusive rules "It > may imply extra usage right

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

cuisine = crisps in a pub :) The nearest in English for gelateria is ice cream parlour. Phil (trigpoint ) On Mon Aug 18 2014 14:00:07 GMT+0100 (BST), Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2014-08-18 13:41 GMT+02:00 John Packer : > > > I'm not sure what is a gelateria. > > Couldn't this be tagged simply with

Re: [Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

> So how one should tag in following situations? > > 1) official cycleway > bicycle=designated or official This implies in many countries the obligation to use the cycleway if running parallel to a road 2) road/footway/path widely used by cyclists, cycling is legal > bicycle=yes 3) road/footway/p

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-08-18 13:41 GMT+02:00 John Packer : > I'm not sure what is a gelateria. > Couldn't this be tagged simply with amenity=cafe + cuisine=ice_cream ? > Pretty much the same way as a pub could be tagged amenity=restaurant + cuisine=burgers + alcohol=yes. Regards, Simone _

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

Am 18.08.2014 10:15, schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > > > > 2014-08-18 9:25 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer >: > > > > > Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 00:44, Andy Mabbett > mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>> ha > scritto: > > > > OK, how's this

[Tagging] problem with bicycle=designated

bicycle=designated is widely used but it not well defined. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:bicycle%3Ddesignated&redirect=no is just redirect, to page that describes hopelessly inclusive rules "It may imply extra usage rights for the given mode of transport (i.e. normally a vehic

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

Perhaps such a category should only be tagged exactly when it's not linked on a wikidata page. Otherwise it seems unnecessary. As Andreas mentioned, if people can add this tag even when it's linked on the wikidata page, eventually people will start adding wikiquote=* wikivoyage=* and so on. Indee

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

I'm not sure what is a gelateria. Couldn't this be tagged simply with amenity=cafe + cuisine=ice_cream ? 2014-08-18 8:23 GMT-03:00 Simone Saviolo : > 2014-08-14 10:40 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm : > > Hi, >> >> On 08/14/2014 08:09 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> > shop=ice_cream (710, documented but

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-08-14 10:40 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > On 08/14/2014 08:09 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > shop=ice_cream (710, documented but difference between using amenity and > > shop keys is not documented) -> amenity=ice_cream (4053) > > amenity=ice_cream sounds very strange to me. I can't i

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 10:15 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > On 18 August 2014 07:20, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > Some minor objects may have category/image on Wikimedia Commons but have > no > > wikidata and never will have - > > see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability > > In which case, pick the

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

On 18 August 2014 07:20, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Some minor objects may have category/image on Wikimedia Commons but have no > wikidata and never will have - > see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability In which case, pick the best/ most representative image, and use the format:

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

2014-08-18 9:25 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > > Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 00:44, Andy Mabbett < > a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > > > > OK, how's this : > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons > > > > as a start? > > > +1, but could have been in th

Re: [Tagging] Commons: mixed purposes

> Il giorno 18/ago/2014, alle ore 00:44, Andy Mabbett > ha scritto: > > OK, how's this : > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikimedia_commons > > as a start? +1, but could have been in the proposal address space, given that it is not in use... Cheers, Martin __