Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
But, basically, what it boils down to, effectively, for us, is that tribal nations, as far as the current supreme court is concerned, views such areas as being much more analogous to Puerto Rico and Guam than as states, cities or counties. PR and Guam are subservient territories of the US, but are

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
I don't see how that's the case, the reason being that the Supreme Court has clearly ruled that tribes are above the state but semi-dependant on the fed, as far as the law is concerned. Furthermore, the state may still intervene, but has the option not to in situations where it would otherwise be

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
I should add that I do not intend on changing state boundaries, just mapping indian nations where I know the boundaries to lie on the ground, as higher than state, lower than the country, inside the US only, if that wasn't clear on the admin level argument. It would still be possible to render a m

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, given pnroman's git maps, and recent court cases, where's the problem in my proposed tagging of indian nations, overlapping states but below the US proper? On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Looks about right. So...what's the issue? > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 5:59 PM

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Jesse B. Crawford wrote: > Something I've noticed as an American that works with many foreign > nationals is that the majority of people who learn English in a foreign > country seem to learn British English - my sample may be biased since I > work with a lot of

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread johnw
On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Pieren wrote: > I'm surprised about this discussion. Think that > amenity=place_of_worship has to be treated like amenity=school. Nobody > is asking to create a landuse=school because it is rendered properly > on the main osm style Besides this discussion of Landuse

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-18 Thread Andreas Goss
Am 7/16/14 23:32 , schrieb Bryan Housel: Oddly we have the mostly standard `craft=brewery`: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dbrewery … but winery tagging is fragmented. It was probably created before the craft key got much usage. I think there should be shop=wine and craft=winery

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 18/lug/2014 um 23:07 schrieb Brad Neuhauser : > > maybe other tags that apply, like amenity=monastery for a monastery there is also "community" proposed by FrViPofm http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:community the proposed values are a bit atypical for osm, as they are all abbreviate

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Cool, thanks for the examples! To clarify, I didn't say that method was invalid, I was saying that it didn't look very common to me. From what you sent, it appears I may be wrong about that. :) So, it looks like there are two distinct approaches to using the amenity=place_of_worship tag: 1) limit

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > Besides, I don't think we need to be quite literal with "place_of_worship" >> only being tagged for the actual specific object where one does worshiping. >> > > I hear what you're saying, but with a tag that's used 600K times (on 226K > way

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
Then there's Canada, which freely uses both spellings as equally acceptable... On Jul 18, 2014 12:53 PM, "John Packer" wrote: > Should british english be preferred? Yes. > Do we need to change shop=jewelry to shop=jewellery? No. > > Not remembering the spelling is not an issue when a tag is > wel

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Andreas Goss
Am 7/18/14 17:55 , schrieb Jesse B. Crawford: In the case of existing tags people will hopefully tend to use the spelling that's already predominant, but new tags are being added at such a rate that it's still an issue. The problem I have with this is that it also takes away the initiative to

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread John Packer
Should british english be preferred? Yes. Do we need to change shop=jewelry to shop=jewellery? No. Not remembering the spelling is not an issue when a tag is well-established. If you try to add this tag in most editors, you will either use a preset or will have auto-complete help you with the spel

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Christian Quest
2014-07-18 17:55 GMT+02:00 Jesse B. Crawford : > Something I've noticed as an American that works with many foreign > nationals is that the majority of people who learn English in a foreign > country seem to learn British English - my sample may be biased since I > work with a lot of people from I

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Jesse B. Crawford
On 2014-07-18 09:27 AM, Andreas Goss wrote: I think for most of the mappers (including me) English is not their primary language and I'm not sure what kind of mix of British/American/out-of-the-blue/simply-wrong words I'm using. At least in Germany (or at my school) there was a huge emphasis o

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Andreas Goss
I think for most of the mappers (including me) English is not their primary language and I'm not sure what kind of mix of British/American/out-of-the-blue/simply-wrong words I'm using. At least in Germany (or at my school) there was a huge emphasis on using British English and using habor inste

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 18/lug/2014 um 14:27 schrieb Daniel Koć : > > Beside, when you use some tags, you just remember them, no matter how strange > would they be spelled, and when you don't, you have to check it anyway. This is not (mainly) about pavement vs. sidewalk, but about similar couples like centre v

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
> > Besides, I don't think we need to be quite literal with "place_of_worship" > only being tagged for the actual specific object where one does worshiping. > I hear what you're saying, but with a tag that's used 600K times (on 226K ways), we have to look at actual usage for part of our guidance.

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
As we all know, rendering is different from tagging. If people want to change how place_of_worship is rendered, that's a different issue for a different venue. This is about how to tag the data. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Piere

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 18.07.2014 13:22, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): English spellings in order to keep it simple. If we started to use arbitrary spellings we'd soon end up in a mess where you'd have to look up the specific spelling of every single tag even when you remember the tag... -0,5 =} I think fo

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 18/lug/2014 um 12:32 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar : > > Besides, I don't think we need to be quite literal with "place_of_worship" > only being tagged for the actual specific object where one does worshiping. To what else would you like to extend it? cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 18/lug/2014 um 12:50 schrieb John Sturdy : > > Some monasteries have quite extensive grounds which are "within the > monastic enclosure", that is, private to the monastic community and > subject to the same rules as the monastery (e.g. if it's a silent > order, that area of the grounds will

Re: [Tagging] Tag for shops proposing personalized plates?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 18/lug/2014 um 10:58 schrieb Severin Menard : > > Hi, > > I have been looking for an existing tag for these specific shops that are not > copyshops, but propose only personalized mural plates (eg for office in the > building entrance). Any idea? not sure about existing tags, I think th

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> Am 18/lug/2014 um 00:14 schrieb John Packer : > > I still think shop=jewelry shouldn't be changed, because it seems > well-established, so it simply isn't worth it to change them. > It might be some inconsistency, but it's a really small one. I believe we should be rigid on enforcing Britis

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread John Sturdy
Some monasteries have quite extensive grounds which are "within the monastic enclosure", that is, private to the monastic community and subject to the same rules as the monastery (e.g. if it's a silent order, that area of the grounds will be silent). __John ___

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote: > I'm not sure "church grounds" is a place of worship. People don't usually > worship God in an organized manner besides the church. > There are actually a lot of churches where I am where the Catholic 14 Stations of the Cross are spread thro

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-07-18 11:15 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar : > > +1. I've always ignored the fact that the main rendering draws > amenity=place_of_worship in a really dark color and I tag the whole church > grounds as amenity=place_of_worship and tag the church building itself with > building=church. This is

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Pieren wrote: > I'm surprised about this discussion. Think that > amenity=place_of_worship has to be treated like amenity=school. Nobody > is asking to create a landuse=school because it is rendered properly > on the main osm style. The problem is that amenity=pla

[Tagging] Tag for shops proposing personalized plates?

2014-07-18 Thread Severin Menard
Hi, I have been looking for an existing tag for these specific shops that are not copyshops, but propose only personalized mural plates (eg for office in the building entrance). Any idea? Sincerely, Severin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetma