Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread fly
Am 26.06.2013 18:56, schrieb Philip Barnes: > On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 21:02 +0200, fly wrote: >> On 25.06.2013 20:43, martinq wrote: > There is no (common) restriction that limits the actual weight of > truck+trailer, thus it makes no sense to define maxweight as limit for > the complete

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Murry McEntire
I tried the split that made the most sense in the available common English terms, so I'm not sure how this could be handled. I would vote against any proposal for pastry_bakery or cake_bakery because I know they would not be used correctly by English speakers. Neither is inclusive of all non-bread

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>the similarity with the single truck-sign Even the maxlength traffic sign is more similar with the "single truck" sign. As to tagging the este vehicle+trailer weight limits, I haven't tagged any such vehicle combination limits before. Intuitively, though, I'd go with maxweight=50 (the limit st

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I usually find a variety of breads, rolls, muffins, croissants, pastries etc at bakeries here in the US, but it could be I like European-style bakeries :) Brad On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2013/6/26 Murry McEntire > >> This proposal is being recalled from vo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/6/26 Murry McEntire > This proposal is being recalled from voting as the split of bakery types > at the shop level is obviously a no-go. A modified version of the proposal > that does not split bakery at the shop level will be put out for vote > shortly. IMHO it is good to split at the s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/6/26 Murry McEntire > The link to the (revised) proposal page: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal/Shop%3Dbakery,confectionery > Murry, I think that this content is valuable, as it defines very well what can be considered a bakery, and what are typical products in the anglo saxon

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=bakery,confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Murry McEntire
A proposal for improving the current misleading definitions and misuse of bakeries and confectioneries and adding tags for the types of goods sold.isnow ready for additional comment. This is a revised version of a proposal that was strongly voted down. The split of bakery shop types is gone, the "

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 21:02 +0200, fly wrote: > On 25.06.2013 20:43, martinq wrote: > >>> There is no (common) restriction that limits the actual weight of > >>> truck+trailer, thus it makes no sense to define maxweight as limit for > >>> the complete train. > >> ... > >> this one is for gross weig

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 8:55 AM, fly wrote: > Does not work for me ! > > I have several areas of mixed use of industrial, commercial and > residential. Often living is allowed but I know streets where it is only > allowed on one side or even changing from house number to house number. > What exa

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Murry McEntire
This proposal is being recalled from voting as the split of bakery types at the shop level is obviously a no-go. A modified version of the proposal that does not split bakery at the shop level will be put out for vote shortly. Murry On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Murry McEntire wrote: > A pro

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Murry McEntire
I agree with you. The split was my attempt to be less U.S.-centric (or U.K., Canada, Australia -centric). In all those English-speaking countries, the primary choice to look for something in a business directory, web page search, name of business that sells bread is "bakery", that sells cakes is "b

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/6/26 fly > > Landuse is a different issue. For example, my condo is in a commercial > > landuse area. Because the condo building includes two levels on > > commercial space, having residential units within the commercial landuse > > is acceptable. In fact, it is highly desired by city planne

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread fly
Am 26.06.2013 17:28, schrieb Clifford Snow: > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer > mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Not sure if I can agree, what does this tag "residential" express? > Is this a building type? A building usage tag? How does it relate to >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Based on voting thus far, this is a non-starter, mostly based on the new bread_bakery tag. I think there would be a lot more support if it only proposed to 1) clarify the confectionery tag, and 2) add the Types of Bakery Goods tags. Brad On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: > Not sure if I can agree, what does this tag "residential" express? Is this > a building type? A building usage tag? How does it relate to landuse, how > to building=building-type and established values? Landuse is a different issue. Fo

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 26/giu/2013, at 15:36, Kytömaa Lauri wrote: > >can you confirm that this is > > indeed maxweight (i.e. > > actual weight > > Yes, the sign means actual weight. so despite the similarity with the single truck-sign and Finland having signed the vienna convention on traffic signs, it is

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>can you confirm that this is > indeed maxweight (i.e. > actual weight Yes, the sign means actual weight. -- alv ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 26/giu/2013, at 11:46, Kytömaa Lauri wrote: > Seems strange to put it that way (everything but not X), when they mean Y. they mean what they write: everything but not X. Y is not only vehicles transporting goods, but also machinery, tools, etc. Cheers, Martin __

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 25/giu/2013, at 22:48, Kytömaa Lauri wrote: > Just today I drove past a sign that means "maxweight for combinations" (1, > with another sign below it, which corresponds to Key:maxbogieload. Different > restrictions exist together on some roads, tuet need > > 1) > http://commons.m.wikim

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 26/giu/2013, at 13:59, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer > wrote: > >>> A new tag called residential, where the value specifies the type of >>> residential, such as: >>> >>> residential=apartment >>> residential=condo >>> residential=co-op >>>

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer wrote: >> A new tag called residential, where the value specifies the type of >> residential, such as: >> >> residential=apartment >> residential=condo >> residential=co-op >> residential=single_room_occupancy > Not sure if I can agree, what do

Re: [Tagging] How to tag apartments in a building that is multiuse

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 26.06.2013 um 00:25 schrieb Clifford Snow : > > A new tag called residential, where the value specifies the type of > residential, such as: > > residential=apartment > residential=condo > residential=co-op > residential=single_room_occupancy > > (these would be open for refinement and addi

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - shop=bakery, bread_bakery, confectionery

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 26.06.2013 um 00:00 schrieb Murry McEntire : > A proposal for improving the current misleading definitions and misuse of > bakery and confectionery; and a requested separation of bread bakeries from > bakeries of other bakery goods, is now open for voting. IMHO your conclusions seem US-c

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Kytömaa Lauri
>sign does not exclude vehicles > transporting people Indeed, yes, I missed the last bit: "ausgenommen Personenkraftwagen und Kraftomnibuse" Seems strange to put it that way (everything but not X), when they mean Y. -- alv ___ Tagging mailing list Ta

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

2013-06-26 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 25.06.2013 um 23:36 schrieb Kytömaa Lauri : > Therefore, the prohibiting sign with the "hgv symbol" only bans vehicles > registered as vans and hgv's, i.e. not for example buses. Unlike in for > example Germany, where that sign seems to refer to (gross) weight only. No, in Germany that si

[Tagging] RFC: toilets=yes, toilets:disposal, toilets:position and incoporating toilets:wheelchair

2013-06-26 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I've opened this up for comment: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets This proposal is in harmony with: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wheelchair:toilets ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstre

Re: [Tagging] RFC: wheelchair:toilets=yes/no

2013-06-26 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Ok, good. See if this matches up: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:amenity%3Dtoilets On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 12:55 AM, Holger Dieterich wrote: > Hi Bryce, > > I'm the co-founder of Wheelmap and also the initiator of this proposal. > > I totally agree with you: > - the tag

Re: [Tagging] RFC: wheelchair:toilets=yes/no

2013-06-26 Thread Holger Dieterich
Hi Bryce, I'm the co-founder of Wheelmap and also the initiator of this proposal. I totally agree with you: - the tagging of stand-alone toilets should remail wheelchair=yes/no/limited. - other POIs need more detailed information about the toilet, that's why I propose toilets:wheelchair=yes/no (I