I agree with you. The split was my attempt to be less U.S.-centric (or U.K., Canada, Australia -centric). In all those English-speaking countries, the primary choice to look for something in a business directory, web page search, name of business that sells bread is "bakery", that sells cakes is "bakery", that sells pastries is "bakery", that sells baked goods is "bakery". I was told by others there was a need to separate bread selling shops from shops that sell other bakery goods for other parts of the world. The English speaking can search other tags, so thought the division to accommodate other non-English-speaking areas might be acceptable. Should have known it would be a problem to go away from the primary use. A split at the shop level is problematical because almost all bakery shops in English-speaking countries carry multiple types of baked goods. I also considered a split where bakery meant bread primarily and other baked goods would have a shop designation of their own. Terminology was a problem. The British generally do not use the category pastry (in their business directories the categories are "bakery" or "cakes", and "cakes" are a subset of "bakery"), cake shop generally means cakes-only elsewhere. I also think it would go down in flames like the current proposal has.
The misleading (wrong) definitions still need to be fixed; replaced by definitions common to British (and other English) dictionaries and wikipedia. It does appear the sub tags are considered useful by many. Just bakery with sub tags, e.g., bread=yes/no/only will need to suffice for regions that need to distinguish between shops by the bakery products sold. I will end the voting now, put the current proposal back to draft status, and be back shortly with a modified proposal with just bakery and confectionery for a revote. Murry On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Brad Neuhauser <brad.neuhau...@gmail.com>wrote: > Based on voting thus far, this is a non-starter, mostly based on the new > bread_bakery tag. I think there would be a lot more support if it only > proposed to 1) clarify the confectionery tag, and 2) add the Types of > Bakery Goods tags. Brad > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:53 AM, Martin Koppenhöfer < > dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Am 26.06.2013 um 00:00 schrieb Murry McEntire <murry.mcent...@gmail.com>: >> >> > A proposal for improving the current misleading definitions and misuse >> of bakery and confectionery; and a requested separation of bread bakeries >> from bakeries of other bakery goods, is now open for voting. >> >> >> IMHO your conclusions seem US-centric. Most of what is currently tagged >> as bakery will probably produce and sell bread and often also sweet bakery >> products, and adopting your proposal, those would all have to be retagged >> (including lots of tools to be changed, think of the pretzel icon) when the >> problem is actually with the tag confectionery (which some people use in >> accordance with the wiki for kinds of bakeries rather than for candy and >> chocolate shops). Instead of inventing a tag for bread bakeries we'd rather >> need a tag for bakeries that don't sell bread but sweet bakery products. >> >> Cheers, >> Martin >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > >
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