[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - direction tag and relation

2011-08-25 Thread Ilya Zverev
Hi! Since there were no comments for two weeks, I've pushed both proposals to voting stage. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/direction http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Directional_node IZ ___ Tagging mailing

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] New module to merge-sort imports over time (osmfetch python)

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I disagree here. If the external source is "ground truth", then that's the data that should take precedence. A car share operator for example won't want a disused location shown, and may well make that a requirement of permitting the merge-sort. An

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] New module to merge-sort imports over time (osmfetch python)

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/25/2011 05:39 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: if the data is "mastered elsewhere", don't import it into OSM. If OSM is just a unique repository of hand collected data, sure, that's right. If OSM is an end result (e.g. published maps) then we should be talking about how valuable the parti

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/25/2011 9:01 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On 08/25/2011 05:35 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/25/2011 8:25 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On 08/25/2011 04:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/25/2011 7:28 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: With layer=X I mean you must enter the building to drink the water.

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/25/2011 05:35 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/25/2011 8:25 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On 08/25/2011 04:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/25/2011 7:28 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: With layer=X I mean you must enter the building to drink the water. Not if there's an outside stairway that le

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] New module to merge-sort imports over time (osmfetch python)

2011-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/26 Bryce Nesbitt : >> My only technical comment regarding your script is that we usually put the >> source tag(s) on the changeset, not the individual node, nowadays. > But I'd like to keep source tags on the node, so hand mappers can understand > that the data is mastered  elsewhere. if t

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] New module to merge-sort imports over time (osmfetch python)

2011-08-25 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On 08/25/2011 03:27 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > >> Another problem which you don't seem to solve is the relationship of >> imported and already existing data; it seems that in your particular case >> you evaluated the situation by hand before

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/25/2011 8:25 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On 08/25/2011 04:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/25/2011 7:28 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: With layer=X I mean you must enter the building to drink the water. Not if there's an outside stairway that leads to a terrace. Then how would you tag each co

Re: [Tagging] [Imports] New module to merge-sort imports over time (osmfetch python)

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/25/2011 03:27 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Another problem which you don't seem to solve is the relationship of imported and already existing data; it seems that in your particular case you evaluated the situation by hand before importing. This is often one of the more complicated things to d

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/25/2011 04:34 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/25/2011 7:28 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: With layer=X I mean you must enter the building to drink the water. Not if there's an outside stairway that leads to a terrace. Then how would you tag each combination and permutation of the given condi

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/25/2011 7:28 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: With layer=X I mean you must enter the building to drink the water. Not if there's an outside stairway that leads to a terrace. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.o

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/25/2011 01:40 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: It is also possible that an outdoor drinking fountain, located at ground level, might have an elevated walkway or other structure above it, and thus be tagged with level=0. Oooh. I meant "level" as in floor: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lev

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/25/2011 7:17 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: On 08/25/2011 01:24 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/25/2011 4:17 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Does anyone have a problem with the use of level=X to imply indoor=yes? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Drinking_water_attributes It's p

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/25/2011 01:24 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 8/25/2011 4:17 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Does anyone have a problem with the use of level=X to imply indoor=yes? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Drinking_water_attributes It's possible that a fountain is on an upstairs p

[Tagging] New module to merge-sort imports over time (osmfetch python)

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
I'm writing to get feedback and peer review on a new python module to manage imports. And yes I am aware of the various concerns and issues with imports, and the strong feelings they create. The goal of this module is to help make imports more robust and correct over the long haul. As a side

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread John F. Eldredge
It is also possible that an outdoor drinking fountain, located at ground level, might have an elevated walkway or other structure above it, and thus be tagged with level=0. Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 8/25/2011 4:17 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > > Does anyone have a problem with the use of leve

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/25/2011 4:17 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Does anyone have a problem with the use of level=X to imply indoor=yes? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Drinking_water_attributes It's possible that a fountain is on an upstairs porch. ___

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Does anyone have a problem with the use of level=X to imply indoor=yes? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Drinking_water_attributes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On 08/25/2011 07:30 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/8/24 Bryce Nesbitt: We have another "type" which is a shop that has registered with an authority, promising to fill people's personal bottles on request. I recently discovered a "vending_machine" which sells water into brought bottles at 1

[Tagging] Another sidewalk question

2011-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
There's a piece of road here that recently got a sidewalk on the west side. But they didn't include a couple pieces where there's extra pavement on the side with diagonal lines to keep vehicles off. This is obviously meant as part of the sidewalk, but it's technically not one. How should it be

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/25/2011 10:54 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: 2011/8/25 Anthony mailto:o...@inbox.org>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Nathan Edgars II mailto:nerou...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On 8/25/2011 4:30 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: >> >> - it is disputed whether to draw two ways where

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/25 Anthony > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Nathan Edgars II > wrote: > > On 8/25/2011 4:30 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > >> > >> - it is disputed whether to draw two ways where two lanes are divided by > >> a traffic island > > > > Really? > > Simone, are you referring there to a painte

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > On 8/25/2011 4:30 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: >> >> - it is disputed whether to draw two ways where two lanes are divided by >> a traffic island > > Really? Simone, are you referring there to a painted island?

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/25/2011 4:30 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: - it is disputed whether to draw two ways where two lanes are divided by a traffic island Really? Considering the above, I can hardly see how a crossing (either for pedestrians or cyclists or horsemen) would deserve its own way (especially a highway

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
> I recently discovered a "vending_machine" which sells water into > brought bottles at 15ct/litre IIRR. 5ct I think ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/24 Bryce Nesbitt : > We have another "type" which is a shop that has registered with an > authority, promising to fill people's personal bottles on request. I recently discovered a "vending_machine" which sells water into brought bottles at 15ct/litre IIRR. http://www.23hq.com/dieterdreist

Re: [Tagging] Request for comments on proposed tags for amenity=drinking_water

2011-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/24 Bryce Nesbitt : > On 08/23/2011 06:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> If you are doing an import you should check beforehand if there is >> already a drinking water fountain in OSM mapped to avoid duplicates. > > I do a proximity check that's good to read >: however there is a probl

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > 2011/8/25 Anthony >> That's what's said, anyway.  Personally I've always considered it >> false to say that these two lanes aren't physically separated.  Those >> lines drawn on the ground aren't figments of my imagination. > > I can unders

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - man_made=billboard

2011-08-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/24 Bryce Nesbitt : > Seems like it needs an operator= tag (e.g. operator=lamar) +1, this is already covered in the advertising proposal [1], IMHO there is no reason for this billboard proposal to reinvent a duplicate tag for the same thing. Zverik noted this already at 11th of may on the d

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/25 Josh Doe > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Simone Saviolo > wrote: > > Considering the above, I can hardly see how a crossing (either for > > pedestrians or cyclists or horsemen) would deserve its own way > (especially a > > highway=*). The only "need" for it - and mind it, it seems q

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Josh Doe
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > Woah, stop :-) What I meant is: > - we've always said that each way should represent a linear feature; > - for highways, this means a carriageway. If a road has a single two-way > carriageway, i.e., if a car going from A to B can go on the o

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/25 Anthony > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Simone Saviolo > wrote: > > Woah, stop :-) What I meant is: > > - we've always said that each way should represent a linear feature; > > - for highways, this means a carriageway. If a road has a single two-way > > carriageway, i.e., if a car g

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:30 AM, Simone Saviolo wrote: > Woah, stop :-) What I meant is: > - we've always said that each way should represent a linear feature; > - for highways, this means a carriageway. If a road has a single two-way > carriageway, i.e., if a car going from A to B can go on the o

Re: [Tagging] Is a sidewalk always adjacent to a traversable road?

2011-08-25 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/25 Nathan Edgars II > On 8/24/2011 8:59 PM, Anthony wrote: > >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Nathan Edgars II >> wrote: >> >>> On 8/24/2011 8:07 PM, Anthony wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > > On 8/24/2011 3:44 AM, Simon