Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread john
So, no standalone cycleway will ever be mapped with the cycleway=track tag, and no cycleway that is actually shown on a map will have the tag either? The tag is never to actually be used on a cycleway, only on a motor-vehicle road to indicate that a cycleway exists somewhere nearby, but isn't d

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-08 Thread john
Agreed. In American usage, craft implies a decorative object, frequently created by the person who will be using it, and always in a small-scale rather than mass-production manner. Examples would be hand-thrown pottery, wood carvings, and handmade jewelry. A craft store sells tools and suppli

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Stephen Hope
On 9 January 2011 07:43, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > Nathan, > I do not understand you at all. > We agree about cycleway=lane: No seperation but defenitely a special place > for bicycles. > You stated in your last replay, and correct me if a I'm wrong. > highway cycleway should be mapped if there is

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 13:37, Stephen Hope wrote: > I'm starting to be convinced that there is a cultural disconnect with > the word craft. To me (and I suspect most English speakers) there has > to almost be an arts aspect for something to be a craft. Whereas I'm > starting to get the impression the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 13:36, Paul Norman wrote: > I've been looking into this. How does this sound? > waterway=dam and waterway=weir remain unchanged. I'm still in favour of shifting these into flow control... > The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong there - > that's the

Re: [Tagging] Towing service?

2011-01-08 Thread Stephen Hope
I'm starting to be convinced that there is a cultural disconnect with the word craft. To me (and I suspect most English speakers) there has to almost be an arts aspect for something to be a craft. Whereas I'm starting to get the impression the German use is closer to what I think of as trade or pr

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate

2011-01-08 Thread Paul Norman
> From: Steve Bennett > > On 5/01/2011 3:18 PM, John Smith wrote: > > Perhaps a more generic approach would work, eg waterway=flow_control > > flow_control=weir|sluice_gate|flood_gate|spillway_gate| > Yeah something like that would be reasonable. What I'd like to see a lot > more of is plann

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 11:05, Steve Bennett wrote: > Sorry, I don't follow. There should be a place=town node that is part of the > boundary=town way? How could the centre of the town be on its boundary? Sorry I thought you meant node, there is generally a need for a node to mark the centre of a place

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On 9/01/2011 11:48 AM, John Smith wrote: On 9 January 2011 10:48, John Smith wrote: On 9 January 2011 10:39, Steve Bennett wrote: Hi all, Can anyone tell me the difference between these two tags? Only place=town appears to be documented. Both have ~~4000 usages on ways. The place marker sh

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 10:48, John Smith wrote: > On 9 January 2011 10:39, Steve Bennett wrote: >> Hi all, >> Can anyone tell me the difference between these two tags? Only place=town >> appears to be documented. Both have ~~4000 usages on ways. > > The place marker should be part of the boundary as

Re: [Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 January 2011 10:39, Steve Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > Can anyone tell me the difference between these two tags? Only place=town > appears to be documented. Both have ~~4000 usages on ways. The place marker should be part of the boundary as well, because the centre of the boundary and the cen

[Tagging] boundary=town, place=town

2011-01-08 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Can anyone tell me the difference between these two tags? Only place=town appears to be documented. Both have ~~4000 usages on ways. Steve ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > Nathan, > I do not understand you at all. > We agree about cycleway=lane: No seperation but defenitely a special place > for bicycles. > You stated in your last replay, and correct me if a I'm wrong. > highway cycleway should be mapped if th

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Nathan, I do not understand you at all. We agree about cycleway=lane: No seperation but defenitely a special place for bicycles. You stated in your last replay, and correct me if a I'm wrong. highway cycleway should be mapped if there is any kind of seperation, even when it is only a seperatly

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > Please define seperation? > > You are completely wrong. If there is no seperation, then tag it as a cycle lane, not track. This thread is about cycle track. Pieren ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nathan Edgars II > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:54 PM > To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways > > Huh? If there's separation between the

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Please define seperation? -Robert- -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nathan Edgars II Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:54 PM To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: Drawing s

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Robert Elsenaar
I do think this is not a real probolem because our Map is never ready, next mapper will correct these previous tags. I'm more worried about hte mappers that think that in *every* cycleway=track situation a seperated way is the best option to map it. Re-mapping that is a greater problem. -Robert

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Robert Elsenaar wrote: > Drawing seperated ways is a workaround for a “Not yet solvable” problem. By > drawing a second way, what’s not there, is implicitely wrong. There is NO > SECOND WAY so try not to draw it then. Huh? If there's separation between the cycleway

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Drawing seperated ways is a workaround for a “Not yet solvable” problem. By drawing a second way, what’s not there, is implicitely wrong. There is NO SECOND WAY so try not to draw it then. And yes I admit, I do use often the “second way solution” to solve complex situations or situations were I

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Georg Feddern
Robert Elsenaar schrieb: Peter wrote: If you tag it as cycleway:both=track, it's more clear. Yes you are right. But implicite we have accepted several default in our tags. That's right. But the problem is, that already hundreds or thousands of cycleway=track tagged yet - but in reality they

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Pieren
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: > Please keep in mind, that with this in mind, cycleway:both=track is more > precise as cycleway=track could be due to another interpretation of the > local mapper. > > It's not more precise. Interpretation of tags is documented on the wiki an

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Peter wrote: If you tag it as cycleway:both=track, it's more clear. Yes you are right. But implicite we have accepted several default in our tags. E.g. we tag highway=residential and more precice would be highway:type=residential And we tag surface=asphalt and more precise would be highway:su

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 08.01.2011 13:40, schrieb Robert Elsenaar: Richard, This is indeed a great cycleway=track. By the way it is nice that the feature http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/right_left has been approved. Your example can be taggen by: highway=* cycleway=track In fact it is cyclew

Re: [Tagging] Differences in cycleways

2011-01-08 Thread Robert Elsenaar
Richard, This is indeed a great cycleway=track. By the way it is nice that the feature http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/right_left has been approved. Your example can be taggen by: highway=* cycleway=track In fact it is cycleway:both=track, but with no :right or :left we me